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SAGE Member – and Communist – Susan Michie Says We Will Need Face Masks and Social Distancing “Forever”

by Michael Curzon
10 June 2021 12:02 PM

Susan Michie, Professor of Health Psychology at UCL and a leading member of SAGE, says that mask-wearing and social distancing will need to stay in place “forever”, not only for Covid but also “to reduce other [diseases]”.

The top Government adviser and long-time member of the Communist Party of Britain (once nicknamed “Stalin’s nanny” because she tried to smuggle Communist literature into a political conference in a baby’s pram), told Channel 5 News that measures adopted by Brits over the past 14 months should now become a part of our “normal” routine behaviour, just as wearing car seat belts has become commonplace.

David Nabarro, a special envoy from the WHO, said that vaccines won't be enough to end the pandemic, and that we'll need to adapt our lifestyles too.

Professor @SusanMichie, a behavioural scientist advising the government, and epidemiologist Dr @shikta_das join @ClaudiaLizaTV. pic.twitter.com/NzSjnbSgve

— Channel 5 News (@5_News) June 9, 2021

Vaccines are a really important part of pandemic control but it is only one part. [A] test, trace and isolate system, [as well as] border controls, are really essential. And the third thing is people’s behaviour. That is, the behaviour of social distancing, of… making sure there’s good ventilation [when you’re indoors], or if there’s not, wearing face masks, and [keeping up] hand and surface hygiene.

We will need to keep these going in the long term, and that will be good not only for Covid but also to reduce other [diseases] at a time when the NHS is [struggling]… I think forever, to some extent…

I think there’s lots of different behaviours that we have changed in our lives. We now routinely wear seatbelts – we didn’t use to. We now routinely pick up dog poo in the parks – we didn’t use to. When people see that there is a threat and there is something they can do to reduce that [to protect] themselves, their loved ones and their communities, what we have seen over this last year is that people do that.

This line – that “what we have seen over the last year is that people do that” – is faintly reminiscent of Professor Neil Ferguson’s comments when looking back to when Italy imposed a nationwide lockdown last February: “[China] is a communist one-party state, we said. We couldn’t get away with [lockdown] in Europe, we thought… and then Italy did it. And we realised we could.” Professor Michie has realised that she – and the Government – can “get away with” telling people to continue abiding by Covid regulations.

Professor Michie continues:

I think that we can just begin to adopt routines. When we go out of the house, we check that we’ve got our phone, we’ve got our keys, we’ve got tissues, we’ve got a face mask in case we need to use it. It’s not going to be a huge big deal, the kind of behaviours that we are talking about.

Unsurprisingly, Channel 5 News made absolutely no effort to scrutinise these claims. The programme’s presenter raised no objection to the idea that mask-wearing and social distancing could continue “forever”, resorting only to friendly laughter. Professor Michie’s co-panellist, a fellow scientist at UCL, Dr Shikta Das, said: “I think Susan has made a very good point here,” adding that the vaccine roll-out has created a “false sense of security”. She concluded: “I don’t think we are yet ready to unlock.” How’s all that for balance! At last Ofcom won’t have any complaints about this programme.

The video is worth watching in full.

Tags: Face MasksProfessor Susan MichieSAGESocial distancing
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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

This filthy communist should be one of first to face the firing squad.

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DoctorCOxford
DoctorCOxford
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Hey, I love freedom. She can keep wearing her mask and avoiding people (she can start with me). But when she does (because death comes for us all), someone will have to point out to her family masks don’t stop aging.

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smithey
smithey
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

After Hancock, Ferguson, Johnson, Witty and Valance

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Sarigan
Sarigan
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

s.michie@ucl.ac.uk

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annicx
annicx
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Absolutely! Why are we listening to a communist? More to the point, why is a supposed Conservative party listening to one? Can you imagine what Mrs T would have made of this?

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FlynnQuill
FlynnQuill
4 years ago
Reply to  annicx

Can you imagine a Nazi being on Sage or even given air time on the TV!! Lets face facts, Communists killed an estimated 80 to 100 million people in the 20th century in Russia alone. The Nazis were chicken feed compared to these scum bags. Yet, we have one in a position of power at the heart of the decision making in our country, that is making people life’s hell. Just let that sink in, wake up people!!

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annicx
annicx
4 years ago
Reply to  FlynnQuill

I have a T Shirt with a picture of their hero Che pointing out that very fact. I get some interesting looks from folk who see the picture, think I’m one of them, then read the words!

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  annicx

Would love to buy one of those, do you have a link for the selling organisation please?

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  FlynnQuill

What possible explanation is there for letting this fucking retard anywhere near the levers of UK Government policy making?

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Lilacblue
Lilacblue
4 years ago

This woman is insane.

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Dave Angel Eco Warrier
Dave Angel Eco Warrier
4 years ago
Reply to  Lilacblue

Insane or not, she depressingly seems to have a lot of clout.

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DoctorCOxford
DoctorCOxford
4 years ago
Reply to  Dave Angel Eco Warrier

It’s like she’s beyond parody.

I feel like lockdown has been the love child of Michie and Ferguson, which explains why it has been so ugly, difficult and depressing.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Dave Angel Eco Warrier

Well, at least, these dangerous creatures are finally coming out of the shadows and revealing themselves in all their disgusting glory.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Lilacblue

She’s not insane. She knows what she’s doing, and the adverse effects it has on people and society.

If anything, we should be taking most of what she says and so the opposite.

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Lilacblue
Lilacblue
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

I fear you are right and that is even more scary.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Lilacblue

I don’t think so. What she isn’t though is to be trusted.
I don’t think it’s a stretch to call this entire global fraud “EVIL”.
It’s way beyond a serious & organised crime. Nobody who isn’t a psychopath could plan for and then follow through as planned, resulting already, in U.K. alone, tens of thousands of AVOIDABLE deaths,
Once a person reconciles themselves with a course of action which will, with high confidence, result in 10,000 extra deaths, ask yourself this,
If they were then to make a decision which would ultimately result in many more deaths, would that be a problem for them?
They’ve already demonstrated that they’re willing to kill 10^5 people.
I contend such a person would have no compunction in making a decision which leads to the deaths of 10^9 people. None whatsoever.
Remember the famous Stalin quote?
“A single death is a tragedy. A million is a statistic”.

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HeresJohnny
HeresJohnny
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

They’ve already done that and keep doing it, by continuing to deny access to health care (cancers, heart attacks, etc etc).

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago

To be fair, I do agree that Susan Michie needs a face mask on forever

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cloud6
cloud6
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

But, I’ve never seen her wear a face nappy ever… Wearing one would definitely be a vast improvement. Rich and on full salary, typical socialist/communist.

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DoctorCOxford
DoctorCOxford
4 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

Two legs bad, 4 legs good.

But some of the animals were better than the others.

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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
4 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

I’m sure I read somewhere that her family sold a Ptcasso for £40 million.

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Hermetically sealed, please.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

With a good solid gag attached.

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Susan
Susan
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

How about a recycled dog poop bag?

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Bucket over the head would be better.

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

A plastic bag, tight.

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Jaguarpig
Jaguarpig
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

A mask full of shit stitched to her face with barbed wire.

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annicx
annicx
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

I’ve noticed this with most commies- maybe it explains their vitriol.

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DomTaylor
DomTaylor
4 years ago

Maybe Ms Michie would like to see more forced organ harvesting and bio-weapons labs too.

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  DomTaylor

Don’t tempt her

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D B
D B
4 years ago

Anyone know any assassins?

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  D B

I think I may start a new career as a hit man. Little chance of being caught in my face mask disguise.

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OMatt
OMatt
4 years ago
Reply to  D B

Start a GoFundMe page.

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lorrinet
lorrinet
4 years ago
Reply to  OMatt

I’ll definitely contribute.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  D B

Ask Sam Vimes, who is no doubt well acquainted with the best operatives in the Guild of Assassins.

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LePib
LePib
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Perhaps a Mr Teatime would do the job?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  D B

Modest proposal…
Jab her with WuFlu first and it wouldn’t be murder as it would be a wIth-COVID death!

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MDH
MDH
4 years ago

I despair. Again. What is the point with people like this “in charge”?

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  MDH

Who puts them in charge. Johnson. Why? Why does Toby’s mate, alleged libertarian, want to take us down the totalitarian route favoured by Mad Marxist Michie?

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Precisely – Michie’s outmoded communist allegiances are a perfect distraction from the real villains.

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Jaguarpig
Jaguarpig
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

She is one off the fucking villains even though she is not a Tory

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Johnson didn’t put these people in place individually. They are selected by iirc the CMO and chief scientific adviser. Their state socialist authoritarian approach reflects the general leftist bias in academe as well as the particular ideological and personal goals of Whitty and Vallance, and their links to corporate healthcare.

But it’s Johnson’s fault he didn’t find people who aren’t interventionist, authoritarian state socialists to fill these roles (CMO and CSA), and his fault he continued to listen to them despite the clearly illiberal advice they were giving. Indeed a genuinely conservative leader would have ensured expert advisers were firmly kept in their box and not given celebrity platforms to allow them to drive policy.

But Johnson is neither conservative nor a leader. Just a weak soft leftist.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

“it’s Johnson’s fault”

In fairness, it’s pretty clear now that a major player in pushing the regime to the state socialist totalitarian approach was Cummings.

And he seems not to be particularly ideologically state socialist, just authoritarian, and it just happened that the state socialist approach was easily to hand and suited his authoritarian and political ulterior motives on this occasion. Undoubtedly he’s not the only one to whom that applies.

Without huge state socialist structures like the NHS and SAGE and all the rest of the apparatus of big state socialism, and the attitudes that support them, power abusers like Cummings have less to work with, especially if protections against undue corporate power are also maintained. It’s not rocket science – libertarians have been pointing out for decades that the problem with conceding powers to the state is that sooner or later those powers will be in the hands of people who will abuse them. And so it came to pass for the NHS, and all the rest we have built in thrall to state socialism.

Libertarians (real ones, not plastic imitations like the ones who caved in to the coronapanic) are owed a massive apology, imo.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Boris Johnson knows. Hancock thinks he knows. Gove is a central player (only in U.K.: elsewhere he’s a nonentity).
Farrah is an important crook.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

Hancock strikes me as the genuinely stupid one amongst them. Cunning and manipulative, but fundamentally not very bright. An overpromoted henchman, there only because of his loyalty to more powerful men.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago

This is good enough reason to kick off SAGE. She’s the most dangerous woman in the country. She seeks the collapse of our society. But of course, Johnson is quite happy to see the “extreme wing” of SAGE talk up the risk to health.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago

Communist believes liberty counts for nothing in the face of ideological and state goals dressed up as “the collective good”!?

Gee! Whodathunk?

What kind of idiot puts a communist in a position to influence government policy? Well, an idiot or a socialist fellow traveller I suppose.

So which of those applies to our current “Conservative” Party, who have allowed this state socialist (and others) to influence policy?

(Silly me -they’re both, of course.)

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

“What kind of idiot puts a communist in a position to influence government policy?”

The same Tory Party proto-fascists who put Johnson in charge of that policy.

Next question.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Justified as “saving the [state socialist] NHS”, and the fundamentally state socialist idea that the state must provide for the health of the population, paid for by magic money tree unlimited state spending.

Absolutely the same Tory Party, alongside the Labour Party and Green Party and Lib Dem and SNP etc etc. All pretty much in lockstep on lockdown and vaccines.

Because they are all run by people who at heart are state socialists who believe the state is responsible for our health and therefore has the duty and right to coerce us for that supposed end.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Wild simplistic generalisations from the back of a hobby horse.

It would be funny if the situation wasn’t so serious. It seems that the rationalists amongst us are fighting on both fronts against wild-eyed fanatics of all colours – the 77th Brigade can sit back and chuckle.

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JASA
JASA
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

But it would have been even worse if Jeremy Hunt had become leader of the ‘Conservative’ Party. Just listen to his recent Commons speech about definitely ‘vaccinating’ children.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  JASA

Indeed, and already huge numbers of pregnant women. There is no completed regulatory reproductive toxicology package.
Never in history have we taken experimental vaccines which, because of how they work, allows us no ability to reliably predict the mid to long term unwanted effects, and then administer it to those not at risk from the virus who are also vulnerable to terrible effects of the restrictions themselves.
Not once. The reason is that it’s impossible to predict with any confidence the outcomes in relation to clinical safety.
What’s happened already is reckless endangerment by some, and cold hearted mass murder by others.

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Jaguarpig
Jaguarpig
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

You are a lefty twat

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

After the last century anyone who’s an international socialist should be treated the same as national socialists.

There should be no platform for marxists, the death toll is always too high.

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HeresJohnny
HeresJohnny
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Absolutely – an ideology that claimed millions of lives and decades of suffering of even more.

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OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago

Is it 77thers calling for violence here? I suspect so. It helps their cause.

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D B
D B
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

Nah just feel that way sometimes

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

I’m not 77th.

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kuno
kuno
4 years ago

This is depressing beyond belief. Can anyone suggest some actual practical useful things we can be doing right now? And no, writing to your MP is not one of them. And while attending a march is a good idea, if they are not covered by MSM they make attendees feel good but do almost nothing to persuade others and will probably do nothing to effect change. Talking to people you meet in the street/ at work/ neighbours about the vaccine has got me into 3 heated arguments with seemingly sensible people so that’s out as well. Anyone? Serious question. Do the marches need to become blockades instead? Blockade what? Vaccination centres? Shut down the whole of central London with stationary cars? What can we learn from French farmers (who from memory seem to be good at this kind of thing…)? And most importantly, how do we, (as rational people who are likely not to have a criminal record) stand up for this without affecting our life chances with a conviction? This is the question LS need to be move onto researching/ discussing/ inviting participation in. Endlessly pouring over this slo-mo tragedy (I do every day) is not what we need… Read more »

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BobRfm
BobRfm
4 years ago
Reply to  kuno

individual pushbacks are useful for the individuals menal health however, critical mass is NOW required. the 14th, 21st and 26th-06 demonstrations will/could be differant from previous one’s. Be there-make it happen.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  BobRfm

Bob, I agree. If we do not take back our freedoms very soon, it’ll be the end of human freedoms.

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HeresJohnny
HeresJohnny
4 years ago
Reply to  BobRfm

Unfortunately or fortunately the masses need to be made aware that there is pushback to the totalitarian terrors of this illegitimate dictatorship.

This is not happening due to censorship applied everywhere.

Last edited 4 years ago by HeresJohnny
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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  kuno

Ultimately, hopefully demos will become unignorable, and defiance of the panicker dictats will reach a critical mass, but we’re a long way from that atm.

Currently my focus is on building local/regional direct social contacts and trying to find local businesses run by sceptics to switch my custom to. Nothing much yet, though, on the latter, and we are still in the time when businesses have more to lose than to gain by coming out as sceptic, probably.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  kuno

Keep on talking to people. You don’t need to get into arguments. Plant questions in their minds. When they offer the antiseptic sprays smile, shake your head: “It’s so funny isn’t it? I wonder why they’re still making us do that when science shows there’s less than a one in ten thousand chance of getting Covid by chance,”

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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Went into Phase Eight today in Market Harborough and was accosted by the manager and not allowed in as I said that I didn’t want sanitizer. It was necessary in case I touched the clothes apparently. I left, but I will never, ever return.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  kuno

The criminal justice system is an important part of the control mechanism. If you stand up for liberty you are likely to be branded with the same stigma as serial rapists and thieves. Even a short sentence for a trivial offence will dog you for life as it will always be on a standard or enhanced DBS check so is never, in reality, spent. A lot of people on here talk a good fight but will never be prepared to stand by their principles to the extent risking a conviction.

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Nymeria
Nymeria
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

I most certainly would risk it.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Then that tells me that they don’t yet understand the magnitude of the peril we’re in.
If they did then, like me, they’d recognise that if we don’t take back our freedoms, nothing else matters.

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ellie-em
ellie-em
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

An interview I saw with Catherine Austin Fitts, a financial advisor in the USA stirred something very strongly inside me.

She said we have to make a choice – ‘what is more important to us – our freedom or our life.’

I choose freedom because without that, there is no meaningful life, not to me anyway.

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Jane Beaton
Jane Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

You are right. It makes me wonder whether it is people like me, ancient so not relying on employment. It makes me shiver but I have been saying to myself since last year “be strong and very courageous”. Not wearing a mask and refusing the vaccine was a start but I have felt a long time I should do more.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  kuno

Please consider watching my interview on “Highwire” last night.
To the best of my ability, I have demonstrated that every central narrative point about this virus is a lie.
Scores of countries simultaneously imposed measures explicitly recommended against in each government’s pandemic preparedness plans.
Everywhere, intense levels of oppressive censorship was imposed & this is still largely in place.
Science and medicine have been bought.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

“Science and medicine have been bought, ” indeed and to a lesser extent so has the justice system.

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Sceptic down south
Sceptic down south
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

Mike,   Your highwire interview really is excellent, but:   From 2′ 54.25 onwards briefly, you speculate on an area that is completely outside any area of expertise.  Which is why I can’t forward this on to people that might otherwise be very interested in what you have to say up to that point.   Breaking the logic as you put it: “killing people” can be achieved far more simply.  Once you have a totalitarian OWO (as you reasonably speculate), you can sterilise, enforce one-child policies or pretty much whatever else you want (just take people away?), and which achieves precisely the same objective in any case.  But without the emotional spasm of those particular words… Hence, continuing to break the logic – it’s the creation of the world-wide ID card that leads towards totalitarianism.  That’s the real danger. At that point, our world has changed forever, and controlling the number of humans world-wide will be but one aspect of that future.  It would obviously be an evolutionary cul-de-sac for any existing sovereign nation state to go first on anything such as “killing its own people”, hence the OWO concept must come first in such a scenario.   I guess you’ve chosen those words deliberately and have your… Read more »

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monica coyle
monica coyle
4 years ago
Reply to  Sceptic down south

Reiner Fuellmich also mentions covid-genocide. He has interviewed two former investment bankers who told him that Europe’s pension funds are completely empty. The elitist Davos clique, who are responsible for the Great Reset, are also responsible for the empty pension funds and would rather people not be around to find out. That’s where these dodgy jabs/boosters come into play.

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monica coyle
monica coyle
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

Just finished watching your excellent interview with Del Bigtree. Thank you for having the courage to take a stand against the blatant evil unfolding around us, and for explaining things so clearly. Thank you for your integrity in speaking out.
I have forwarded the video to my nearest and dearest who are weakening over their stance. This will certainly inspire them to resist. Knowledge is power.

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timsk
timsk
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

Link please Mike – I can’t find it! 😉

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Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  kuno

Recording as much as you can – who does what, who says what – use it as evidence later.

Going round Michie’s house and giving her ‘a talking to’?

Problem is these days, everyone is tracking themselves carrying their mobile phones. Your vehicle is tracked by cameras. CCTV cameras just everywhere. Unless you behave you will be identified as a non-conformer and will have to face the consequences.

How many comments here are being monitored and reported to ‘the authorities’?

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NonCompliant
NonCompliant
4 years ago

Conspiracy Theorists 10 – 0 Media Sheeple

It’s not even half time yet!

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

Nothing theoretical about it 🤔

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ScepticSteve
ScepticSteve
4 years ago

Why does anyone even listen to a fanatical communist extremist? Let her wear face nappies and distance if she wants, but there’s no point in it for sane people.

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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
4 years ago
Reply to  ScepticSteve

Does she know something we don’t?

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original poster
original poster
4 years ago

Lots of good chances for jokes here. Here goes…

She should wear one 24/7…clearly she’s a danger to herself.

…Ok, not great but I tried.

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Carrie Symonds
Carrie Symonds
4 years ago
Reply to  original poster

I’m imagining her on Masternomind.
Susan your chosen subject is telling other people what to do.
Mumble/incoherent reply.
Correct.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago

GFY.

And the people already behave otherwise and vote with their feet.
My electricians who came in today didn’t even bother, nor did I, of course.
Mrs Bee reported back from her gym that only 1 person came in with a mask today.

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Spritof_GFawkes
Spritof_GFawkes
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

lucky Mrs Bee. Do that in my gym and they’ll not let you in (I’ve tried it)

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A Heretic
A Heretic
4 years ago
Reply to  Spritof_GFawkes

and yet you still go there.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Local little cafe – no masks or fuss, delivery driver – no mask, builders – no masks, window cleaner – no mask. Greengrocer stallholders – no masks. All today.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Same with the joiner who came to ours today. And everyone in my local newsagents.

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AndyPandy
AndyPandy
4 years ago

She’s deranged alright, but I don’t think she has that much influence. I imagine Johnson listens to Whitty and Vallance and ignores nutcases like Michie. But from what I’ve seen many people where I live would wear clown shoes all day to ‘prevent COVID’ if they were told to by her.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  AndyPandy

I wouldn’t bet on how much influence she has.
She was in the Guardian a couple of weeks before the mask mandate was imposed, blathering on about how face masks should become embedded in the culture.
Don’t underestimate her influence, or malevolence.

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dante
dante
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

Yep, Laura Dodsworth explains in her book how Michie is one of the most respected in her field. She has a lot of clout.
Which makes me wonder what she is up too here. Is she setting us up in some way, getting the mood music out before the 21st?

Last edited 4 years ago by dante
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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  dante

A State of Fear by Laura Dodsworth is excellent. A real eye opener…and I thought I knew quite a bit! If only we could get everyone to read it.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago

“I think there’s lots of different behaviours that we have changed in our lives.”

Changing behaviour is fine when it’s voluntary, you obnoxious totalitarian busybody.

When it’s imposed by law or through the use of consent manufactured by massive propaganda and behavioural manipulation, it’s evil.

Which, ergo, is what you are.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

The trouble with all these evil authoritarian types is that they believe if they are unable to persuade they’re justified in coercing, based on the flimsiest of supposed justifications.

We need a party and a movement that resists the idea that the state has responsibility for and therefore power over our health and well-being.. At the moment all of the established parties are on board with this evil.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I think it’s possible to decide that as a society we get better value for money if we have state funded/run healthcare so we would naturally expect to get something for our money. The trouble starts when the state ceases to be a provider of a service that we pay for and starts to micromanage our lives in order to “protect” the service. It’s arse about face. Whether one thing leads inevitably to the other is debatable
Certainly the USA had its fair share of madness

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

“I think it’s possible to decide that as a society we get better value for money if we have state funded/run healthcare “

I accepted that argument for a while.

But as we’ve had demonstrated beyond any further question, once we concede that our health is the business of the state, in the end it will become the nanny state nightmare that it has on this occasion.

It can get a whole lot worse, as well…

“Certainly the USA had its fair share of madness“

The US has a vast bureaucracy dedicated to interfering in public health. The details are different but it’s the same kinds of people with the same kinds of attitudes driving the policy.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Probably the subtle but important distinction that the NHS is there to fix us when we go wrong but has no remit to try and run our lives, even if it does make us healthier, is lost on people. What makes me so cross is that let’s say we as a country decide we want to save more lives, cure people of diseases earlier etc etc, and so we decide to spend more on the NHS – that’s a rational choice though you may disagree with the forced levying of taxes to achieve it – if you’d spent even a tenth of the money that ha been pissed up the wall on covid nonsense you’d get better returns. So it’s not just unethical, it’s plain daft.

Sweden managed it, though they are an outlier.

People seem to have forgotten what freedom is. I guess it goes in cycles.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

“Probably the subtle but important distinction that the NHS is there to fix us when we go wrong but has no remit to try and run our lives,“

When has that line ever been held? Remember the seatbelt laws? As soon as anyone pointed out that it was solely the business of the person taking the risk, the immediate response was “they impose costs on the NHS”.

Comically, that was one of the first responses here when I made that point a year or so ago. It’s inherent in state healthcare.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

It does seem to drift that way, yes

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Comically – when you’ve got some right-wing hobby horse jockey trying on the seat belt analogy, you know you’ve left Planet Earth. Monochrome counterparts to Susan Michie pose no solutions at all.

Last edited 4 years ago by RickH
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Maverick
Maverick
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Strange. I just gave you a thumbs up for your comment and it gave you a thumbs down instead!

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annicx
annicx
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Please explain why it’s OK to impose the wearing of seat belts, but nothing else? The state will never stop at any one point and will continue to impose more and more legislation ‘for our own good’. You can’t get a little bit pregnant.

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annicx
annicx
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

To which I point out that following that logic, all amateur sports, hiking, rock climbing, cycling, etc. should also be banned.

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dante
dante
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Well said.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Getting better value for money from people who coerce money from you and lower your choice is NEVER going to give as much value for that wealth as deciding from a range of providers.
The NHS rations out the lowest quality of treatment and is funded in the worst way (income taxes, i.e fines for productivity) and encourages the worst health outcomes because someone else will subsidise the unhealthy…

Last edited 4 years ago by TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
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Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

The NHS is a nightmare, but in fairness so is the US model.

Most of our problems seem to come from over-mighty state or over-mighty corporations, and especially when the two get together.

How to find a way to exclude the state, support small businesses and families – the core of any healthy civilisation, and encourage genuine charity rather than fake coerced tax-funded state-mediated “charity”?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Instead of coercing incomes the state does not create Try (charging for state products) (i.e. taxing) title (Copyrights, Patents and Land-Title).

It’s what Adam Smith would want.

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annicx
annicx
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I’ve been saying this since 1983 when seat belt wearing became law. I never argued that you shouldn’t wear one, just that it was no-one else’s business- certainly not the state’s. The abuse I’ve received has been sadly predictable- one woman asked what I would say to the parents of someone who was killed after being hit by a driver being thrown through the windscreen! I replied that I would offer my sympathies to the world’s unluckiest person, and asked how anyone stood so close to a car crashing at speed would still be alive to be killed in this fashion. She walked away shaking her head. You can’t reason with such people, and such people seem to be all around us.

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JASA
JASA
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Pharmaceutical companies and conventional medicine, on the whole, don’t want to cure you of most things. If you take something that cures you, you can stop taking that medicine. It’s all about disease management. You are given medicines to take to alleviate symptoms, rather than cure you, but you have to keep taking them. That makes huge profits.

The vast majority of the UK population is deficient in Vitamin D, for example. If that were addressed, then winter surges would be a thing of the past. Increasing the number of nurses and doctors is not going to stop people getting winter colds etc.

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caipirinha17
caipirinha17
4 years ago
Reply to  JASA

Unfortunately the best way to get your Vitamin D is naturally from the sun (when that’s possible) rather than supplements. In the UK we only get enough sunlight during the day in summertime, and where do most people have to be at that time? At work, inside a building. So this is one that’ll never properly be resolved…

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  caipirinha17

Supplements do work though.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  JASA

Correct!

Robert Fripp once observed

“Tuning a Mellotron doesn’t”

My version: Public Health isn’t.

They tell you to eat the most profitable food so you then need the most profitable drugs. When veganism is mandated this will become an order of magnitude worse..

If you Eat Real Food and go out in the sun you shouldn’t need supplements. They tell you not do do either, and not take vitamins or other supplements, but statins and vaccines are completely safe. And of course covid means two vaccines are nit enough, you will need boosters every six month forever.

Meanwhile new antibiotics are not considered profitable enough to develop. Yet they are probably going to ban beef.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

100%.
Scientists don’t generally diagnose evil. But having used my knowledge, experience & judgement to interpret the most important narrative points, and finding every one of them to be a lie, with resulting massed deaths, no other word will do.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

“It’s not going to be a huge big deal, the kind of behaviours that we are talking about.”

Well – let’s face it, only a certifiable sociopath could say that.

Trouble is, there’s too many who fall into the trap of thinking her political bollocks is significant. It’s a distraction : there are sociopaths all over the political spectrum.

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unmaskthetruth
unmaskthetruth
4 years ago

April Fools…!

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Dobba
Dobba
4 years ago

Hahahahaahahaaahahhaahaa. Oh do please fuck off you insane old coot.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

To be fair to the presenter there she stopped her on the “forever” statement and then laughed when the Michie thing confirmed her thoughts.

Such is the ridiculousness of her mind farts even a 17 year old C5 “News” presenter can see through the suggestion.

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Old Maid
Old Maid
4 years ago

Silly bint.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago

Susan Michie should be exiled to Michael Moore’s underpants.

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Ross Hendry
Ross Hendry
4 years ago

This hag needs to be sectioned, asap. How on earth do such halfwits manage to gain such lofty positions in public life?

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A Heretic
A Heretic
4 years ago
Reply to  Ross Hendry

as they say, it’s not what you know but who you know.

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Sam Vimes
Sam Vimes
4 years ago

My speciality is communication, using language that people will easily understand; so, fuck off, you abhuman, no-life bell end.

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Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
4 years ago

Directions for Michie

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Jo Starlin
Jo Starlin
4 years ago

I wish this creature dead, I make no apology.

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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

Yes, and a few others too.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

There you have it folks, as if you didn’t already know, Medical Marxism is staring you right in the face, as well as covering it.

Have no feelings of guilt, conscience, or remorse, in pushing back against this evil, evil ideology.

Last edited 4 years ago by BJs Brain is Missing
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unmaskthetruth
unmaskthetruth
4 years ago

Nice to prove that communists are really supportive of gagging, shaming and humiliating the general public. Always thought they were total bastards, funny how they make out they are for the good of the people. Orwell understood perfectly.

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Richard Austin
Richard Austin
4 years ago

She’s a so called Psychologist but doesn’t give a flying toss about the mental health and Psychology of the people she lords it over. The world has indeed gone insane. Why is anyone even listening to this stupid creature?

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

When the world is run by psychopaths, the world goes mad.

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amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago

When people say this sort of thing there should be a full analysis of the benefits and costs, not just a few cherry picked advantages that often don’t have any actual scientific evidence behind them.

In the case of seatbelts and dog-poo-picking I’m happy to accept that there are few downsides to the custom, apart from a small number of people getting a tiny bit cross.

In the case of masking and social-distancing the long-term negative consequences are likely to be significant, particularly given that we are a social animal.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

There’d be few downside to requiring seatbelts on sofas too…

The vital problem with enmasking the population is that they only scare people, they do NOT prevent harm (in fact a long term mask wearers report lots of facial problems, consistent coughs etc.).

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