I have written a piece for the Mail today in which I say it’s becoming increasingly clear that the only way we’re going to get our freedoms back is if we take them back – and we should start with masks. Here’s an extract:
I’m sceptical that any of the lockdown measures reduce transmission of the virus – we’ve had three lockdowns and still have one of the highest Covid death counts in Europe – but the evidence that masks protect people who are wearing them is particularly thin.
At the beginning of the pandemic, Jenny Harries, the then Deputy Chief Medical Officer and now Head of NHS Test and Trace, cautioned against members of the public wearing masks, saying they could do more harm than good.
A scientific study in Denmark last year involving more than 6,000 people, in which half wore masks for a month and the other half didn’t, found those who didn’t wear them were no more likely to become infected than those that did.
Even Dr. Anthony Fauci, the Chief Medical Adviser to the U.S. President, admitted last year that store-bought masks were ineffective. In an email that came to light after a freedom of information request, he wrote to a friend that masks were “not really effective in keeping out [the] virus, which is small enough to pass through material”.
I have decided enough is enough – and I will simply refuse to wear them. If a security guard stops me entering a shop or building, I will explain that I am refusing to wear a mask as a protest against the continuing restrictions and that I will wait outside until they change their mind.
If I’m told to put on a mask when I get up to go to the lavatory in a pub or a restaurant, I’ll ask the waiter to explain why it’s necessary to wear a mask when I’m standing but not when I am sitting. If they fall back on the excuse that they’re just following the rules, I’ll point out that some rules are so silly they don’t deserve to be followed.
I’ve waited 15 months for my liberties to be restored and I’m not prepared to wait another month, even if I believed Boris’s assurance that life would return to normal by July 19th.
No, the only way to get our freedoms back is to take them back. And I will start by throwing out my masks on June 21st.
Worth reading in full.
How about this? A large group of anti-lockdown protestors take a trip to Boston, Lincolnshire on June 21st and hurl our masks into the River Withan? I suggested this on Mike Graham’s show on talkRADIO today.
As Lord Sumption said, “Sometimes, the most public-spirited thing you can do with despotic laws like these is to ignore them.”
Stop Press: Last year, the Czech Republic was universally praised for getting its infection rate under control in Prague by enforcing a draconian mask policy. See this USA Today article, for instance: “In this capital city of 1.3 million, among the first in Europe to decree mandatory universal mask-wearing almost four months ago, life has now returned to normal.” Fast forward to June, and now we’re seeing headlines like this: “Czech Republic: What’s behind world’s worst COVID infection rate?”
Masks don’t work. Period.
Stop Press 2: Israel has dropped the requirement for masks in enclosed spaces. The Jerusalem Post has more.
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Great to finally have you onboard Toby. You’re right, it’s the only way. I haven’t worn one ever and never will. We are all exempt anyhow if it causes severe distress. Just stop today! Our fellow brainwashed citizens are perpetuating the problem by complying. If we all stop, it’s over!
If we all hadn’t meekly complied and clapped in the first place the lockdown would never have got off the ground. If we hadn’t given way on any of the March 2020 diktats masks would never have been introduced to signal in bright blue to the world our despicable cowardice. It doesn’t matter now, if it did TY wouldn’t dare write this guff.
The UK is a meek and compliant vaxx-junkie nation; in which 70% of Tory voters and 77% of Labour voters support continued lockdown. Damage done.
You’re right but there are so few free thinkers and the propaganda was so successful, it was never going to happen, My conscience is clear. I have avoided participating in the nonsense to try to set an example. I honestly don’t know how we can bring this to an end given so many support the lockdowns. Maybe when the furlough stops but i’m not fully convinced it will?
Happy Clappers and pan bangers made me cringe from the off. The Un-Holy NHS killed my father on 20th March 2020. They needed his bed. Bastards!
We won’t and or don’t. It’s the others, HomoBovinus, HomoGallusgallus domesticus, et al. They are clucking mooing and bleating happily in all of this. Tragically they are the majority. Generally speaking, Mr & Mrs. average.
On average they are the double-digit class (IQ). By their very nature they follow, hence the allusion to ‘bovine and cluckers’ (I think I spelled that right?). They do not fall into the Mr & Mrs. above average category.
Dictators and tyrants have known this throughout history. Mr & Mrs. above average will obviously always be in the minority, therefore easily kept quiet (until they’re not) while the flockers, cluckers, and cattle follow meekly and blindly to the gates of the slaughterhouse. Mooing, clucking, and bleating in a satisfied and contented manner. Completely oblivious to what is going on or where they are headed.
Good point. If you are going to stop a BS narrative, you better debunk it and take it on very early.
Of course, members of the Fourth Estate serve as “gatekeepers of the news” and help create all of the bogus narratives.
As I keep telling friends here in the U.S., if you really want to “drain the swamp,” you better purge the newsrooms first.
why wouldn’t it be? brits have been taking poison for hundreds of years, sugar (an industry also historically noted for criminal behaviour) was urged on people, not for obvious health business but because it made a tidy profit (with a bit of a lull during rationing when people’s health improved). Seems to have been a similar story for most of history.
It seems difficult for people to believe the above are Govt. guidelines
Same here. Never worn one, never will.
If only they’d learnt to read so-called guidelines properly. These are not laws, merely mandates and they mean jack. EVERYONE could have exempted themselves. But they chose not to, so they’re convinced masks work and/or they have to wear them. Me? No mask, no clapping, no social distancing, no trap and trace, no manic sanitising, no MSM, no tv licence…and no illness.
heard an anecdote recently. passenger on bus reported that driver stopped bus abruptly, got out of seat and walked up to back of bus to tell another passenger to put his mask on because he wasn’t wearing it. Talk about peaked cap syndrome.
I’ve never worn one, never will..
But at the start i went into places expecting trouble, i had a defensive mind set.
Around Christmas time i decided my approach was all wrong, so i then, and still do enter places being overly friendly, smiley, chatty to staff –
and i tell them I’m bringing back the smile 😁
TRY TELLING THAT TO MY LOCAL TESCO. BIG SIGN ACROSS THE DOORS “NO MASK NO ENTRY”
They all do, but you can still shop unmuzzled. I do every week and have never even been challenged. It’s a veiled threat.
Well, I might have joined in….IF I OWNED A MASK IN THE FIRST PLACE!
It was obvious from the start, when masks were suddenly made compulsory after weeks of insisting they made no difference, in the middle of summer when there was very little covid around and the real problem was a shortage of fear.
That’s the issue coercive mask-wearing was introduced to address: insufficient fear.
If only more of the “respectable” folk with platforms had either grasped that at the time, or had had the testicular fortitude to stand up and be counted on it, back then!
“Shortage of fear”.
Absolutely bloody spot on!
“testicular fortitude” I like that!
There was a brief time in which I did wear a mask ( one with anti-lockdown slogans printed on it in large font though), because I thought, foolishly, that while it would have no effect on covid transmission it might somehow reduce panic and deter more damaging diktats (masks are merely silly, compared to lockdowns which are a threat to everything civilised). Then I wised up to the truth, masks only make the panic worse. A visible symbol for the fear only makes the fear more transmssible, and harder for the afflicted to recover from. Folks who went through the same learning curve as I could perhaps give you some old masks to use in a protest.
I suggest everyone sends their dirty used masks by signed for delivery to the PM at 10 Downing Street. If you don’t own one, there’s plenty lying around in the street.
I’m liking that idea – more environmentally friendly than chucking them in a river, however symbolically appealing that is.
I’m pretty sure Bozo wouldn’t give a toss either way though.
Sending them to your own MP would have wider impact…
Maybe post the useless wankers boxes of dogshit instead of masks lol.
If you’re serious about the tea party, I only have the objection that we can’t really litter the river which such filth. Some laws do make sense.
It will upset Greta and the vonDoomsberg cult so why not
Give her something to do while mitching off school
I totally agree. Why should wildlife have to deal with the masks. Especially the medical ones. Maybe they could be cemented or resined into an #ImDone June 21st monument or something?
Yup… FoSho … Just got anned from posting on FB for seven days for criticising HMG’s disgraceful behaviour refusing to reinstate our Liberty …so much for #FreeSpeech …
FB = Fascist Banners.
You use Face Book and expect free speech???
Still using FaceBag ?
Well done Toby! That’s real leadership and courageous on your part. Given there is no political leadership to speak of, people like you have to supply it!
Welcome to the mask free brigade Toby.
Once you take it off, you won’t ever want to put it back on again. The drones in their masks look so ridiculous. It’s a liberating thing to do…
What is required is a ‘fart for freedom’.
This fart must be done in the face of Kim Jong Johnson, Nicola Ceausescu etc
Come on, the cloth of your underpants will block the gas!
Otherwise how would masks work?
Exactly !
The point is, if you work in a service industry just ignore rule breakers. In Israel they introduced vaccine passports, that had Gove wetting himself with excitement. Only, no-one ever asked to see one. So they were quietly dropped. (Because everyone had been vaccinated!!)
not everyone glad to say
I just say politely that I’m exempt on entering a restaurant and asked about my lack of mask. They inevitably apologise and life goes on. They have to ask though – its not their fault – poor sods
I think Toby has done a good job through this. I’d like to see him come out against vaxing kids even if he’s vax positive more generally (which is his right to be).
My mother is an absolute weapons grade lockdown loving double vaxxing moron. She won’t even share space with the unvaxxed (and that includes me). Even she thinks vaxxing kids is tantamount to child sacrifice.
“A scientific study in Denmark last year involving more than 6,000 people, in which half wore masks for a month and the other half didn’t, found those who didn’t wear them were no more likely to become infected than those that did.”
I disagree, it failed to find a statistically significant benefit, which is very different from finding those who didn’t wear them were no more likely to become infected.
I’m fully anti mask, I don’t believe they help, I don’t wear one, and I applaud the sentiment in this post (except for the “waiting until the 21st” bit) – but let’s keep things factual!
I agree keeping this factual is important but that’s not really right. There was no statistical significance. So the benefit (from memory, something like less than 1.5%) could have been completely random. Moreover there was an inverse relationship, so those who were the most zealous mask wearers were not more infection-free.
Plus we also know that everyone changes behaviour when being observed or studied. So people would have been washing or changing masks as recommended than would otherwise be the case. There is absolutely no evidence that countries or American states with stricter mask mandates have done any better than those with less strict or no such mandates.
Yes. It’s interesting that there are some who are scientifically/statistically ill-informed here after all that has been posted.
“There was no statistical significance.” That’s what I already said. Read the post again 😉 I didn’t say it found masks are positive. I know the study worryingly well ha – I know the 46% reduction to 23% increase in infection with 95% confidence interval stat off by heart because I cite it loads. Yes, the benefit could have been completely random. That is not the same thing as “the benefit definitely is completely random”. That’s the distinction I was highlighting. I agree about changes in behaviour. That’s especially important because it was conducted at a time when other people wearing masks was less prevalent. But the study didn’t prove anything either way about that, so I’m excluding it. If a study finds no statistically significant result, it is inconclusive – therefore we cannot conclude it makes no difference. We can say with 95% confidence that it may make things 23% worse, or it could improve things by 46%, or it could make fuck all difference or anywhere in between. I believe masks are pointless, but I’m commenting specifically on the commentary relating to this study. So I agree with your example about the States (and there are other good… Read more »
Well it’s a teeny weeny incey wincey difference and amounts to what Toby said in layman’s terms…I am sure Toby could have delivered a statistics lesson had he needed to. The inverse relationship though is very telling (the most zealous mask wearers weren’t showing a stronger benefit – the opposite in fact), and that strongly suggests the “benefit” such as it was, was a “random noise” factor.
Fair, not expecting others to feel the same. I don’t see it as a teeny weeny difference personally.
I feel it’s about logic rather than statistics.
Here’s the example from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedent):
Translated:
Sorry Tee Ell, you don’t understand basic statistics. Suppose they found 10 more infected, it’s the same as 10 fewer infected since it is a sample.The only definitive randomised controlled trial we have is from the BMJ Open, 2015 Apr 22;5(4) which showed cloth masks increased re-infection the most (in Influenza btw); medical masks increased re-infection next most and no mask had the least re-infection of all!!!
I understand it perfectly, see reply to OKUK above.
I think the key point is if a statistically significant benefit cannot be found then IF there is still a benefit it is nowehere near as big as the maskers would wish to claim, and if it is not larger enough to be of statistical significance then it is not large enough to justify the use of masks (due to the general inconvenience if nothing else) outside of medical situations involving close prolonged proximity to highly vulnerable people*.
*where the risks genuinely are high something with minimal, perhaps no, benefit, might still be worth a try on the “just in case”. This is still good ALARA thinking, not precautionary principle madness, where risks are high then measures which usually are unreasonable can sometimes become reasonable. Anywhere else, which means all of wider society, it isn’t worth messing around to try to achieve such marginal ,if existent at all, gains.
I think it would be marginal (if there is any impact at all), but my point was about interpretation of study results. Going purely off this study, masks could reduce infection by 46%. That’s not marginal.
@ downvoters – sorry to break it to you, but downvoting a factually accurate statement doesn’t make it not true I’m afraid 😀
People don’t use them correctly, i observe daily, a wide range of poor protocols for using them..
Not washing hands before or after putting on
Touching the mask and then the the doors, shopping, food on the shelves
Lastly, stuffed into ones pocket, ready to be used again, and again… And again
Ho hum
No, the only way to get our freedoms back is to take them back. And I will start by throwing out my masks on June 21st. Bully for you, I bet Boris is quaking in his boots!! This utter guff from TY is typical of the LDS Controlled Opposition agenda. Look at the acolytes already showering praise! I call it out as an utter sham – devised by this oppressive government’s behavioural insights team and fully approved by CCHQ. Anybody with half a brain cell will NOT have worn a mask at any time in the last 15 months, it is and always has been a non-issue. Mandatory experimental vaxx treatments (especially on kids) leaving us as a junkie nation and the indefinite suspension of inalienable liberties are the only issues here. The only value of token mask enforcement is strategic, and it’s an old sleight of hand beloved of architects the world over known occasionally as ‘the indispensable gargoyle on the top’ . It works like this: Developers propose building they know the planners will reject. Discussions ensue, architect throws tantrum and reluctantly agrees to remove hideous giant gargoyle on the top that was ‘integral to the design’. Planners… Read more »
It’s not specifically related to architecture. It’s an old general technique – propose the outrageous, then, having distracted your opposition, throttle back to the merely unacceptable.
I never said it was, but it’s a good example nonetheless. And knowing that technique is being used against you doesn’t prevent it being effective – as the pro-government comments on this avowedly sceptical site regularly prove.
Not seen much pro Gov comments over last 12-15 months just anger and confusion at wtf has been going on.
In fact it is taking advantage of what is known as “the englishman’s fallacy” the fallacy that a position mid-way between the two extremes is always rational. Also see the “pet duck” for the queen in chess software.
The comparison with planning is spot on. But I’m not sure that dividing Sceptics into those ‘with a brain cell’ and without is fair or helpful. We are a really small minority and need to stick together. An alternative view is that some of us will have been worried at best and genuinely scared at worst about going maskless, considering the shit people – and unfortunately more women than men I think – have had to put up with. If you look at that vid on the forum of the woman being abused by an absolute wanker in the Victoria Pub in Richmond, it is understandable why some of us took some time to get our courage up. OK, he was fat as fuck and looked like a heart attack waiting to happen but I think for women especially it is quite difficult to be calm about that sort of attack.
Having said that, don’t abuse me for being pathetic (!)… I am now pretty much maskless despite genuinely feeling really scared at times.
I’ve no time for sceptical fence sitting. I would rather deal directly with ardent pro-lockdowners than those false-sceptics with all the info but still refuse to take an open unequivocal stance. Maybe we need a Mortgage and Kids Sceptical App for such people? This would immediately show they have every right to fail to speak out or otherwise oppose oppressive/illegal/unethical government actions, and indeed (in some cases) continue shoving in the experimental jabs, all because of their financial burdens?
PS: Had false sceptic mask wearers not worn a mask you would now feel a damned site more secure in what you are doing. Good on yer anyway!
Yes I fully admit the problem with compliance. The first time I had the courage to go maskless was on the tube on the way to my first protest…because 4 others, clearly on their way to the same place, were maskless. Including 3 fairly big blokes so I reckoned that they’d wade in to protect my 7 stone and 5′ self from any aggro! I do wish I’d found the courage earlier. But I still say we need to stick together and not let things like this divide our already small group.
I know several mask wearers who are sceptical to some degree or another but mask up because they don’t like confrontations. As much as masks symbolise acceptance of the false narrative we should try to sympathise with such people and encourage them to lose the masks if they are not obvious covid fanatics. I spent a good part of my career as a litigation solicitor “confronting” awkward judges and some very smart barristers in the course of my work yet I am happy to confess to some anxiety on my first couple of trips to crowded shops etc after the mandate came in.
For the record I have never worn a mask and never will.
You don’t have to read between the lines to find Toby still taking the official line. “UK still has one of the highest Covid death rates in Europe.” …. a rate calculated with false positive PCR results and dubious coroners’ reports. A rate, moreover, brought about by a deliberate failure by the NHS to provide early and effective treatment. A thorough-going skeptic would also be questioning the spikes in cases all over the world following mass vaccination programs, no?
This gargoyle is not peripheral – it’s absolutely central to the scam, the plan and the assault on our liberties. No mask, no crisis. People will soon forget about Covid even if the media keeps banging on about it.
It’s funny how us sceptics have all been coming to the same conclusions at roughly the same time.
I was posting on the twatter three weeks ago that the only was was civil disobedience,
However, I do not think this will be enough. I believe we need some kind of Occupy movement, with around two and a half million people, bringing Westminster to a standstill.
Unfortunately we have a criminal enterprise running the country. They have propagandized and brainwashed our fellow citizens.
The only true way out of this now is a peaceful revolution and regime change.
Occupy was astroturf. like XR and BLM.
Medical Jihad on smiles. They want to keep masks forever…
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-06-masks.html
Don’t let the medical metaween burka up your face.
I think everyone posting their masks (if they own any) back to their own MP at Westminster is the way to go.
And no need to wait until the 21st…
Well done. A minor point: it’s the River Witham. There’s a local eatery called ‘The Witham and Blues’.
Why wait until the 21st? You should never have capitulated and worn one in the first place.
Ditch the mask now!
“the evidence that masks protect people who are wearing them is particularly thin”
Let’s be clear. Stop shuffling about pretending to ‘balance’ in case of causing offense.
In long-established scientific terms of evidence supporting a hypothesis within accepted probabilities, the notion that masks do anything useful is massively improbable.
i.e. it is at about the same level as alchemy : the null hypothesis stands
No need to pussy-foot.
Telling people to throw their masks in a river is not smart – it’s litter.
Why not burn them instead?
TY is a liability whenever he is being interviewed. He variously backs off on valid points (as with BBC Newsnight), openly supports and defends the the government’s position (Sky News Australia) and is now advocating polluting the rivers and oceans. In other words, a typical Tory.
Post them to your MP.
You’re right. One of the arguments against widespread mask usage is their impact on marine ecology, for example the coral reefs off the coast of the Philippines becoming coated in face masks. So you definitely shouldn’t chuck them into waterways!. Burning them is a more dramatic symbol of dissent anyway.
Burning is better. Also, the bonfire can last a lot longer and get more attention than a single moment of hideous mass littering.
Diverting the focus onto masks is what the cabal want as it leaves them free to continue with the vaccine campaign unopposed. Mask are immaterial.
The focus must be on protecting children from injury due to these jabs. – we do not know what is in them they could be sterilising, they certainly injure.
Masks are what our rulers would like to divert the discussion onto. Don’t fall for it.
The health of our children is paramount. (77th brigade take notice, your children will be next)
“Masks are immaterial”
Masks are (literally) not immaterial. They are hugely symbolic and have been from the start. I remember getting seriously alarmed when The Guardian headlined colourful muzzles as a new fashion item on its front page header early last year. A sadly compliant (and now lost friend) said he thought this meant people were “making the best of” an unfortunate necessity by making or buying the things in trendy colours and patterns.
It was perfectly obvious (to anyone here I bet) that it was a normalising process, then just getting into gear, just part of the accumulation of other ‘accepted’ strictures.
That normalisation is the true horror we see around us now.
You have it spot on.
Masks are a tremendously potent intrusion into the norms of life. I’d hesitantly say more so even than lockdown, since they have become so egregiously acceptable, whilst people having been quite widely ignoring lockdown and other measures.
Yes : vaccination (especially of children) is a horrible affliction, too – but at the moment it is voluntary, if coerced.
I wouldn’t be hesitant, RickH!
Washing hands, obsessive sanitizing, following arrows, avoiding anyone’s approach, standing feet apart from your own family and friends, being allowed to go out for exercise once a day, unelected monomaniacs calling themselves scientists happy to terminate your livelihood, your cultural and social life, even banning singing for fuck’s sake – somehow these are all impositions that people didn’t willingly accept, or maybe only grudgingly, in parts.
That so many within our species, probably unique in its ability to use its face to convey the widest possible spectrum of emotions, our relation to others and our identities, should calmly accept the filthy mask mandates based on no good evidential science; says more than some of us wish to acknowledge about our global tribe.
If this ever ends, it’s going to take a long time to forgive the lazy, timid, thoughtless compliance of most people.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with fighting a battle on many fronts. Masks contribute to the impression of a deadly pandemic, take them away and that diminishes and makes people more open to arguments that this whole thing is a mistake or worse
I agree that child vaccination is horrible and should be fought as a priority
I think they are one of the two most important parts of the psy ops, together with ‘testing’. They are the sign to the masses that there is a deadly deadly pandemic – and a global one at that… Always good to use tautology 😂 – and that all humans, but especially maskless ones are rabid right wing disease vectors. Stop masks and you’re halfway to curbing the fear.
No need to stop fighting the mask dictates, just because they want to maim and kill our children with their toxic vaccines, that aren’t vaccines. Masks damage children in many ways and the mask nonsense has to go for all of us. Masks are the markers of compliance and cowardice.
I think Martin Luther King is still relevant today.
I do wish those criticising those of us who have worn the b__ things would shut up. Very well done you, but for goodness’ sake stop telling others off for taking baby steps. Do any of you have businesses that would take a complete battering if one became the talk of the local social media group? I wonder. People have mortgages to pay, children to support for goodness’ sake!! Be cheered that a large proportion of those in the supermarket who one poster has described as having ‘half a brain cell’ are NOT wearing the fancy floral designer (or scary black)/triple-stitched varieties but are fairly obviously ‘protesting’ in their own way by wearing a greying paper ‘disposable’ thing that they’ve worn a hundred times, keep scrunched in their pocket, and yank off the minute they’re out of the door. It’s fairly obvious from my observations that a huge number of people are resistant to mask-wearing, and resentful, and Toby, raising his head well above the parapet, on mainstream media, reaching those people who many of you insult as ‘sheep’ etc etc (yawn) has done us a huge service.
You’re right Deborah, everyone’s cirumstances are different.
Shut up yourself. The very act of wearing a mask has been a cowardly act of compliance throughout, making it harder for those who took this small but determined stand against government oppression. As for half a brain cell, maybe I was too generous.
Mortgages are not a catch all reason for failure to discharge ethical duties and speak out (in the case of doctors and NHS staff) or wear a mask (when the guidelines run contrary to the 2010 Equalities Act).
Everyone that has made a stand has problems and different circumstances, but it hasn’t stopped them making that stand in spite of the difficulties they then face.
Nothing like building an army of support by virtue signalling and shooting allies in the back!
I, like many other sceptics, leave virtue signalling compliance to the blue mask wearers and NHS happy clappers. If this alienates flip-flopping TY acolytes like you and DebT then so much the better.
I’ve you’ve read more than a few of RickH’s posts you’ll know he is far from a TY acolyte.
Deborah T makes some good points and so does B F Finlayson. It’s good to debate these things between us but I think we should try to focus on common ground
I’m sure TY realises that masks are but one part of the picture
As long as no-one thinks that getting rid of masks means it’s over, I don’t see why it can’t be a part of the overall fight to drag us back to normality. I don’t think this will happen quickly or that there is any magic bullet.
RickH is a perpetual flip-flopper. DebT is a pro-Toby acolyte, and in the past has been prepared to criticise me calling into question Toby’s failure to question the use of lethal vaccines on school chidren, despite the damage already being done.
Only recently (and weeks behind UKC) has TY tried to wriggle out of his fence sitting LDS is anti lockdown but not anti vaxx stance with his regular copycat vaccine articles. Defending TY’s gaffs seems to be a duty on here in case he takes the website away. Grief!!
There is no fight going on here, only degrees of compliance.
“RickH is a perpetual flip-flopper.”
You clearly live in a fantasy land of self-seeking virtue and wild paranoia – totally detached from reality. I have never departed one iota from my consistent attitude to the shit-show – which includes total and consistent condemnation of the ‘vaccination’ programme, and particularly of children, even if some more nuanced views about individual motivations might be over your head.
As to Toby Young, you might notice if you take your blinkers off that my previous post on this thread was a criticism of a milk-and-water approach to the mask issue.
Whilst not necessarily agreeing with everything, I think I could reasonably describe myself as pro-Toby, he’s done a lot more than most in the media to question the narrative. I think there is a tendency to underestimate the importance of the “if they are safe and effective” vaccine proviso, a legitimate position to take, as long as he doesn’t try to hide instances of the vaccines being unsafe or ineffective (I don’t think he has).
In any case, opinions on Toby are neither here nor there, this forum is about debating and exposing lockdown lies, and discussing what to do about them.
I have to say, I would never describe RickH as a fence sitter. Anything but!
Thank you, Julian for your usual sanity from a different political perspective.
well said.
It’s fair to excuse ordinary people for lacking the courage to resist openly – we all have our limits and individual circumstances differ – as long as we give due respect to those who have been prepared to go further.
Non-mask wearers, after all, have earned the right to criticise those who couldn’t bring themselves to take that step, as demonstrators have earned the right to criticise those who have not done that. Granted it’s not sensible to take it too far, though if some are shamed into taking their resistance further, that’s a good thing.
In reality, almost nobody was ever going to lose his job for refusing to wear a mask while shopping.
But those with public platforms, like Toby, should expect to take a bit of stick for this kind of thing.
“Toby, raising his head well above the parapet, on mainstream media, reaching those people who many of you insult as ‘sheep’ etc etc (yawn) has done us a huge service.“
Indeed, but he could have done this a year ago. Delingpole did, iirc.
Fair enough.
You chose to wear the bloody thing. Live with it.
I don’t own a mask but I did buy a snood which wouldn’t stop flies let alone viruses. I bought it purely so I could have a blood test, but do’t wear it anywhere else.
I’ll hang onto it as this stupidity hasn’t finished yet, but I’m all in favour of having a mask burning with effigies of the pig dictator and co.
I’ve only ever worn a mask once.
Before they were mandatory
In Waitrose.
Like this.
I had a lovely upbeat friendly chat with the 50 year old comfortable middle class till Lady whilst flashing my Rolex and explaining about my Venture Capital Funding work.
Shortly after that ( July last year ) I was at a posh London do, sitting next to a wealthy retired lawyer. I got a bit drunk and said to her “I don’t wear a mask because I’m not a fucking moron!”
She refused to speak to me for the rest of the evening 🤣
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-06-vaccine-ive-covid-.html
MSM pumping out copious quantities of COMPLETELY LYING BULLSHIT
Recommending the young get the jab and also those who’ve already been immunised by catching COVID! Startling mistruths.
BTW “Associate Prof” means not a tenured prof, just a PhD student who’s employed by the Uni.
I was out and about at a different time this week, and spotted a couple of school buses. 50 seater type as well as mini buses. It dawned on me that the bus drivers are masked up. Also most of these bus drivers up here are semi retired unfit looking slightly tubby and red faced older chaps. The risk of one of these geezers becoming slightly hypoxic whilst driving and making an error, or keeling over, is probably way higher than the risk from catching anything, and a bus load of children will be taken out as well. I can feel a letter coming on to the operator and council. They are all in the same confined space for 45 mins so the masks are a feckin’ useless pantomime, all they do is massively increase risk of harm.
Funnily enough I walked past a class load of kids getting in a school bus at a sportsground today. They will all be classmates because I know the school in question and how they do their ‘bubbles’. The sports teacher shouted ‘socially distance. No one sit next to anyone’ as they got in the bus. Hilariously bonkers. The Covids will obviously wait for them to be in class before catching them in its sub 2 metre deadlines! The bus driver was indeed elderly, red-faced and far too fat.
I’m happy to say that the schoolchildren I see on the way to/from school in my local cathedral city have now, almost completely, ditched the masks. There was a theory a few weeks ago that they wore them of their own volition and not because of coercion by schools, but this would seem to now be disproved.
I’m just down the road from Boston… I’ll be there!
Never worn or owned one, as a rule refuse to speak to anyone who’s wearing one.
I wore one around Europe, but only when the police were in sight. Luckily there is no need for anyone to wear a muzzle in the UK.
I also enjoy rebelling by refusing to do a retarded fucking elbow-bump, and I offer them a handshake instead. No refusers so far and they usually pretend that they wanted to shake hands all along but weren’t sure if I would be uncomfortable about it.
Met a bloke in the pub I haven’t seen for a year or so. His e-mails are those of a true Covidian and he knows I am a vaccine refusenik, so I was pleasantly surprised when he offered me his hand. However, it turned out to be generously plastered with sanitiser, yuk. After admonishing him briefly, I hurried away to wash off the offending and disgusting substance.
Welcome to the party Toby. You’re a year behind a lot of us but I’m so glad you’ve decided to join us. Only one out of the lunatic asylum.
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