The GMB Union has hit back against the prospect of care home workers being forced to take Covid vaccines. Rachel Harrison, GMB National Officer, says the Government doesn’t have “the foggiest idea or concern about the impact their decisions make on a workforce already suffering from many of the worst political failures during the pandemic”. The union has warned that more than a third of its members in social care would consider quitting if vaccines are mandated.
The i has more.
GMB said that the move, which is being considered by the Government, was an attempt to “strongarm” care workers into taking the jab.
Under the plans, care home staff in England who work with older people would be required to get the jab or risk losing their jobs. They will reportedly have 16 weeks to get vaccinated.
One in six care workers – around 52,000 – have not had the vaccine despite being eligible.
Rachel Harrison said: “Carers have been at the forefront of this pandemic, risking their lives to keep our loved ones safe, often enduring almost Victorian working standards in the process.
“The Government could do a lot to help them: address their pay, terms and conditions, increasing the rate of and access to contractual sick pay, banning zero hours, and ensuring more mobile NHS vaccination teams so those working night shifts can get the jab,” she said.
“Instead, ministers are ploughing ahead with plans to strongarm care workers into taking the vaccine without taking seriously the massive blocks these workers still face in getting jabbed.”
Unison General Secretary Christina McAnea said that “encouragement achieves better results with the nervous than threats or coercion”.
“The Government’s sledgehammer approach now runs the risk that some care staff may simply walk away from an already understaffed, undervalued and underpaid sector,” she said.
On Tuesday morning, Cabinet minister Liz Truss insisted that the Government had not yet committed to the plans, saying that officials were “currently consulting on this issue” but that a decision would be “very imminent”. The Government have refused to rule out the move.
However, Ms Truss said it was “incredibly important” for care home staff to be vaccinated. …
The Government is also planning a consultation on whether Covid jabs should be made compulsory for all NHS staff, alongside those in social care. According to official data, 151,000 NHS workers – just over one in 10 – have not have [sic] the vaccine.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Health Secretary Matt Hancock has confirmed that plans to force care home staff to get vaccinated against Covid will go ahead.
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Good luck to any health care/nhs worker when they take this revolting government to court.
Using what for law? Courts are subsidiary to Parliament in the U.K.
That’s not true.
While it shouldn’t be, it probably is true these days and of course, Parliament is now subsidiary to Government, which itself answers to Bill Gates and the Bill Gates controlled WHO. We are in very serious times, likely so serious that these will be the end times for a very great many of us.
Hancock saying it is “mandated” isn’t actually law. To make it a legal requirement they would need to pass legislation through Parliament.
Even then it can be challenged in court.
if these care workers just ignore the mandate, the higher ups would need to fire them.
Then the care workers can take this to court and easily win.
Yes. They will have to exempt for medical conditions and pregnancy and breast feeding. But it must be inequitable if it does not allow exemption with evidence of antibodies or previous infection, and given the worries over possible effects on fertility from an unlicensed treatment, they will have a hard time on mandating it for anyone fertile.
Looking forward to the evidence presented for such a challenge already.
I’m a Nurse that walked due to the on going bollocks.Im raging due to the Murders last year let them come and get me I’ve got a nasty surprise waiting for them.Me!!
I applaud you! I pray that one day justice will be served up to this murdering government!
bless you mate
They’re f**king right! They are already paid disgracefully low wages for the work that they do. Every one of them should down tools until the fascists back down!
I’ve mentioned it before but care home owners have been coercing staff to get vaccinated for many months. My sister in law a qualified nurse manager at a care home resigned her job for this reason in April. Three other staff left with her for the very same reason. These matters have to be challenged in court as they are coercion, which under the Nuremberg is a crime. This situation is made even more of a crime, given the experimental nature and extremely poor safety record of these unlicensed products.
I know of a care home where they already made the flu jab mandatory for all staff, even volunteers. The people who run these places are not often well educated and in this case they really think it’s the right thing to do ‘for the good of the residents’
This is about reducing potential staff sickness as any vaccine stimulates the recipients immune system. It is recognised that a person can still catch influenza or CoViD19 despite being vaccinated, they could still be infectious.
I don’t understand the comment.
Me neither. If what we’re told to believe is true, i.e. that the “vaccines” don’t stop someone catching or spreading the virus, they merely cut the risk of serious symptoms in the vaccinated, then a vaccinated Care Home worker is more dangerous to the residents than an unvaccinated one…. the vaccinated worker is more likely to carry the virus into work simply because they don’t know they have it.
This isn’t a fucking vax you twat.
You want to talk about ‘potential staff sickness’? Go have a look at the latest Yellow Card stats for ‘vaccine’ adverse effects. I don’t know a single person who has been jabbed that walked away feeling fit to work. I do know someone who was potentially killed by the ‘vaccine’.
EDIT: this was intended as a response to John.
I’m not sure what you mean.
Yes, it’s recognised that the injection recipient can still catch and transmit the virus, so how does that reduce potential staff sickness?
Potentially, there may be increased staff sickness if the recipient has adverse reactions over an unknown timeframe.
See my comment to huxleypiggles below
What’s the point of the vaccine then? Apart from further enriching the already filthy rich and powerful people who seek to dominate the entire human race, that is?
The GMB has made its opinion known. I would hope there is the possibility for a strike if this is ignored.
In this case, I think, more subtlety is needed than strike action.
Remember – a lot of these staff are dedicated to the care that they give. I saw my mother through levels of care towards the end of her life, an most of the staff were exceptional in what they did. Any Care facility dismissing staff on this basis will be in deep doo-doo, given the demands and scarcity of staff. One would hope that the GMB will be canny in mounting pressure and legal action.
One would hope that pressure from clients and their relatives would help – but I fear that Covid indoctrination may work against that.
A well backed strike in would be one way of reversing this, however I doubt most care givers will risk their charges to the extent necessary to get the change.
Resigning is then the only real alternative to strike action, unless the GMB puts it’s money where its mouth is and fights the Government and employers in court. Whatever happened to the Nuremberg Code, the UK is supposedly signed up to?
What happens if the care worker says they cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons? Or that they refuse to say if they are vaccinated or not?
I can’t see how this can be legal anyway.
I fear it may be made superficially legal by this protozoic slime of a ‘government’. In which case things will be a real test of the independence of the judiciary and their upholding of conflicting prior and higher international standards of civilization.
It’s legal because government is altering public health regulations to state nobody can be engaged in a care scenario without vaccination.
Since Parliament has mandated it via Statutory Instrument it is legal and there is nothing anybody can do about it – short of voting in somebody who will repeal it.
Nope. It cannot override the human rights’ legislation already in place. It will be challenged, successfully, in the courts.
Pretty sure the Nuremberg code is supposed to prevent any government mandating an [experimental] medication on to its people. New national laws can not override this.
Coercion is strictly verboten under Nuremburg Law.
In the U.K. Parliament is sovereign. What it says go.
That’s the way out system works. Don’t like it – move to the US
See what the Speaker had to say about this, sovereign? they have no bloody say anymore..it’s a dictatorship…
Michael O’Bernicia is currently laying a Private Criminal Prosecution for mass murder by government policy in a Common Law Court. Maybe you should read up and support this man?
As it is, your persistent support and defence of the government and its ‘vaccine’ puts you firmly in the shill bracket.
No not so. Unless the Governments expressly withdraws the UK from the provisions of the Nuremberg Code and other similar human rights provisions and those withdrawals are then ratified by Parliament, it will have no legal right to do what it is doing and this immoral nonsense, for that’s what it is, must fail in court.
You need to study a bit of basic Constitutional Law mate.
Human rights legislation in the U.K. has no capacity to override U.K. parliamentary legislation.
Parliament is sovereign – end of story.
We’ve left the EU
Human rights legislation wasn’t passed by parliament?
The UK hasn’t left the European Court of Human Rights! The Withdrawal Agreement committed the UK to remain a member of the ECHR.
You really shouldn’t be commenting on things of which you are clearly ignorant
“You really shouldn’t be commenting on things of which you are clearly ignorant”
He does it all the time, especially about MMT and debt.
If ever there was a case for banning the really thick, then Julian makes it. But no, let him keep making a fool (arse) of himself, it does them no good.
Far better to keep quiet and let people think you’re a fool than to open your mouth and prove the point!!
This is what Remainiacs have always done and continue to do, argue before understanding the issue at hand.
Lucan Grey isn’t ignorant – their comments are made in the hope/belief that the people reading them are ignorant
Nothing to do with the EU, just how thick how thick are you!
No, it’s not. There are Human Rights concerns and criminal implications. This Coronavius act does not over ride those. And the vaccine’s efficacy and safety needs to be proven and weighed up against the harms caused by not taking it. If any government of the UK were to insist on compulsory vaccination, it could feasibly give rise to objections on the grounds of individual liberty and human rights. This is owing to article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which protects people from being interfered with physically or psychologically and includes mandatory vaccinations.
Yes – Lord Lucan is floating 0n Cloud 9 – way ahead of reality.
The ECHR doesn’t bind parliament in the U.K. for example they already said prisoners should get the vote and the U.K. parliament just ignored it.
Parliament decides what applies. If you don’t like that then leave the country.
And Parliament cannot over-ride the courts! If you’d been paying attention over the past few years, you’d know that.
Just try compulsory vaccination sunshine, but I guess even you daren’t go there.
The GMB would do better to focus on the need for informed consent to participate in a phase 3 trial.
My sister in law gave up caring for people to care for dogs because it pays better….
Virtually everything pays better than care work.
And dogs are treated far better than elderly humans. Dogs are treated with kindness and it’s a legal requirement that they be allowed to behave naturally. Unlike human beings at the moment. In fact, it’s a legal requirement for humans to behaved unnaturally.
And it is more worthwhile. Most people deserve what they get.
The HYS comments on the BBC article about this subject appear to have been largely written by the 13,000 wasters who occupy the Cabinet Office
I’m sure they will happily trade in their well paid jobs to work in the care sector if required lol.
My elderly mother is in a care home now. Partly thanks the the lack of interest / care shown to her last year by the NHS during lockdown 2. I am utterly appalled at the idea that those caring for her are potentially to be treated as subservient slaves to this dictatorial government. If this goes ahead I face a double problem. Firstly her care is likely to suffer as some (good and experienced) staff will leave. Those that replace them (if they can be found) will have little or no experience and will likely (and not unreasonably) expect higher pay given the risk they are having to take. This can only result in my mother getting poorer and more expensive care – which we as a family are funding. Even worse the entire exercise provides no real additional protection given that the “vaccines” don’t stop people catching or spreading the virus. This is another cynical move by the government to coerce or literally force more people into taking an unsafe, improperly tested drug that only has emergency use approval. It is a totally unacceptable situation, and even if it were to affect my mother’s care I really hope the… Read more »
I understand your concerns completely.
I think coercing or mandating individuals over vaccines leaves no doubt about the sinister motives driving the vaccine. Nobody without evil intent or an ethical lobotomy would contemplate reversing the agreed anti-nazi framework enacted after WWII.
… unless they had adopted the same moral framework as Mengele.
Simple.
Yes they have accepted the Mengele framework and there is much worse to come.
Caption competition
‘The vaccine blood clot was this big’
It is abhorrent to force hardworking, hard up, under paid, care workers to get an experimental jab which may or may not stop the spread of disease, to a population pretty much universally protected or aware of their risk. It’s salt in the wounds as it is being done without irony or remorse by a government who haven’t/wont even accept or acknowledge that their mishaps in shipping thousands of people out of hospitals back into care homes was the cause of the UK’s death-toll in the 1st wave. The subsequent lack of care these former hospital patients who were booted into care homes and then not seen by any medical staff for 6/8 months, then led to the spike in deaths in the “2nd wave”.
My sister works in the care industry and has done for ten years – she has had both jabs because she was told that her job could be at risk if she didn’t – however she knows of care workers who have quit rather than be bullied into having the vaccine.
As usual with this disgusting Government, this is yet another step to one more slippery slope. As others have said, the whole cobbled-together social care system, which is continually promised to be sorted out, never gets any sensible help, in any aspect; whether staff pay and conditions, which users pay what and all the rest.
In common with every other snap decision this and previous Tory Governments have made (and other crap governing parties), it is astonishing that nobody either in Parliament or the army of civil servants, advisers and other hangers-on ever stops for a moment to consider the consequences of what is proposed. Along with this latest wheeze, which will decimate social care, we can look at fudged Brexit “deals”, the Green nonsense (uncosted, same as lockdowns) and many other egregious examples of inability to think properly and plan correctly.
Governments of whatever persuasion see the elderly as a burden and an expensive nuisance. Any method of removing them is welcome. Blaming the young for killing granny is the acme of nauseating hypocrisy.
Correct, but they also see the rest of us as a similar burden. Calculating from the Georgia Guidestones, they really want rid of around 95% of us. Judging by the apathy and stupidity of Joe public, there are times when I think that they may well be right.
Until recently, I taught English as a second language. Several of my students were care workers and from BAME backgrounds. One of the reasons I left my job was because I was not prepared to promote vaccine take-up. I could not accept that it was ethical to push an experimental vaccine when no-one knew about the possible adverse effects. I also thought it would undermine the professional relationship I had with my students.
Many of the care workers I have taught will struggle to find employment if they decide they can’t get vaccinated and care homes will end up having to recruit new staff on higher rates. Some may become financially no longer viable. If the vaccines do not stop infection or transmission, then what is the point of making them a requirement? On the other hand, if they do work, then the most vulnerable will be protected and there really is no issue. If the situation really is so dangerous, then why is it only now that this problem is being highlighted and the government is allowing a period of 16 weeks for it to be sorted out?
Their priority is a needle in every arm, everything else is theatre to that end. Global depopulation or total population control are the only logical reasons I can think of. We’re way past the Govt hysteria/Incompetence possibility.
Yes Toby your mate is fucking Hitler, not putting your jamrag on to go in Harrods isn’t going to cut it.
Yes, it’s quite soul destroying seeing many people on this site still pushing the incompetence excuse. Creatures like Cummings openly state that the only incompetence the government is guilty of is not pushing totalitarianism hard enough and fast enough.
The incompetence conspiracy theory was blown out of the water a year last April. Those still pushing this nonsense are more than likely on the government payroll.
Very neatly summarised.
In a nutshell.
Global population control and depopulation are a match made in heaven, sorry I meant hell.
I’m a social care worker although my workplace is registered as a care home by the CQC even though we don’t provide nursing care or have long term residents. Most people are under 65. My employer is a well known mental health charity and mandated the so called vaccine three weeks ago to all their employees regardless of whether they have a front facing role. I’m working my last few shifts as I already know people who’ve experienced life changing side effects following the vaccine and are now on life long medication. I don’t have any health problems and don’t want to take the risk of needing care from the NHS. The thought of being hospitalised absolutely terrifies me.
Well done and good luck for the future. Sooner or later they are going to come for the rest of us too.
I applaud you and I hope you find alternative employment. Good luck!
May become academic soon when people start keeling over from ADE and the other side effects of the jab
And when that doesn’t happen will you change your mind?
I wish that you could ask that question of a friend of mine who is now in a wheelchair with GBarre syndrome one week after his first jab.
I imagine Lucan Grey would either see this as coincidental or simply write it off as collateral damage.
77th Brigade members are still on comments’ boards promoting the narrative. There is only one person on here doing that. QED.
I know of a man who now has Bells Palsy following his first jab.
Sadly he is just one of many.
The way this is supposed to work is that you are supposed to complete lengthy clinical trials before experimenting on millions and millions of people.
Nobody with a brain would. The fundamentals of not unwillingly taking a vaccine are as simple as ABC, and are not to do with Hollywood horror.
I really don’t know why you are on this website!
He’s hoping for promotion to Captain.
With a new number: 666.
Now, now, lance corporal next and that’s as far as he gets because he has given himself away too easily.
I have 2 relatives who have had a stroke within a couple of weeks of their jabs. Both unexpectedly, they had health issues but not relating to stroke risk. Both have permanent damage. They are both in their 70s. It could be a coincidence, but it’s still not a risk I’m willing to take as a healthy 50 y/o
Clots.
Yes, those people are, aren’t they?
The point isn’t obvious horror scenarios. That isn’t likely.
Overstating things diminishes the fundamental wrongness, and the very, very simple issues around refusal.
will be put down to “variants”
If anyone here could answer these questions, I’d be grateful.
Medical interventions can only go ahead after the patient has given their fully informed consent. If a carer of NHS staff member turns up for a covid vaccination, when asked if they consent replies that they are only there because they have been told that if they don’t have the vaccine they will lose their job & this is documented but patient is jabbed anyway, what is the legal position?
Also if the patient states as above & the vaccine giver declines & documents that they can’t carry out the intervention as coercion is not consent, where does the patient stand re employment?
Thank you!
The legal position is that you cannot be engaged in a care giving employment without the vaccine. That overrides everything is else because Parliament said so when they acceded to the change in the Health Regulations.
No jab, no job. And that is that.
Until it is decided that that it is no longer that and is now this.
No. It isn’t as simple as that.
Yes it is. That’s how the law works in the U.K. Parliament passes legislation and the courts apply them.
We’ve left the EU
No – that’s not how it works at all, otherwise all governments would have been dictatorships. The courts can (and have) found against many governments.
The courts can find both that the government is acting in contradiction of its legislation and that where 2 pieces of legislation clash one takes precedence.
Idiotic! Firstly the EU has absolutely nothing to do with this.
Secondly , the courts assess the legislation and apply it as they see fit. The UK has an equality bewteen the legislature and the judiciary, neither is subservient to the other. If a judge decides the ‘law is an ass’ he can rule so, and decide to interpret the legislation as he sees fit. This ruling can be appealed to a superior court but ultimately what judges decide is the law , is the law.
You sir, are an ass!
Go back to the BBC and Guardian
Finally a union standing up for rights. Pity it took this long.
Unions are just the same money grabbing cunts as The MPs they give not one fuck about who they are supposed to represent
I thought I detected a note, in the comments from the union, of “Pay our members more and we might change our advice”. Hope I’m wrong.
They’re not though are they – they’re trying to find ways to convince their members to be “vaccinated”?
So the GMB aren’t against making the vax mandatory in principle, they just want to use it as leverage to get more money for their members.
Terrific.
Slow handclap.
If this becomes ‘law’ then what next?
I imagine a lot of people will just give up working in care homes, and elderly people who need care will be the losers. Again.
No doubt that eventuality is covered in Hancock’s small print. More midazolam to be prescribed.
This seems like a propaganda step to start blaming care workers for spreading covid. It is to take the heat from Hancock for kicking the elderly out of hospitals without a thought for their welfare or for those already in care homes.
They’ve already done that by blaming agency staff.
Yup, that was the Fat non-Controller’s first reaction to the Care Home Crime last year. Utterly despicable.
My brother, a kind, caring, compassionate human being, will now leave the care home he has worked in for over ten years, as he will not be forced to have the vaxx. He’ll find another job, he’s done many things in his life, but the caring profession will lose something far greater….and all for the equivalent, in efficacy, of a flu jab? The fricking mind boggles!
Maybe they could get antibody tests(I’m sure in the circumstances they’re in great majority already have had covid), which could put more to the outside world idea of natural, long term immunity.
Isn’t it strange how the government ignores those who have had the virus and now have natural immunity as a result?
You can’t even get an antibody test it seems.
Especially one on the N”H”S, it’s a risky jab or nowt.
There’s no money to be made from natural immunity
Good point – even I forget about natural immunity as it has been propagandised out of existence.
An antibody test is only of worth 2-3 months post covid infection. I had an antibody test done 6 months after my infection (to try to shut the boss up) but came back negative. I know of medics who caught covid, tested positive & had a negative antibody test 4 months later.
Sure, because you need a T cell test, which the Government has strangely refused to pour magic money into.
But research paper after research paper is showing natural immunity as as strong, often stronger, as the “vaccines” – obviously so, possibly life long.
Antibodies do go once you’ve recovered, doesn’t mean immunity has gone. That was yet another lie the Faucist movement in England pulled last year with that study showing antibodies gone after recovery, pretending that meant natural immunity didn’t last, but claiming the “vaccinations” would work in a different way.
Well they work in a different way allright.
Yes, because that’s what happens with antibodies – they dissappear. What is needed is a T-cell test which provides evidence that sometime in the past, the immune system responded to covid-19 (and thus, will respond again)
I should’ve read other replies before pressing ‘post comment’. Sorry @Sandra Barwick – no plagiarism intended
If only 10 per cent of staff haven’t been jabbed then you could say that in care homes there is a kind of herd immunity in microcosm in each care home. as 90 per cent have been jabbed. Obviously it would differ from care home to care home but the 10 per cent could do tests (not that I believe in tests) but as a policy there is an alternative from a legal/ethical POV. It doesn’t have to be a jab.
Test, jab, if it’s mandatory we’ve entered a brave new world.
Sovietism returns to inflict it’s toll on Russians
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-06-moscow-mandatory-vaccinations-case.html
The global cabal must have put pressure on Putin then in some way because I remember he was outspoken in resisting this push.
Russia only has the GDP of Italy, and may need to appear to comply. I have a feeling Muscovites are adept at appearing to conform whilst finding ways round regulations.
Cripes, is this a union behaving in support of workers’ rights? I thought all that had stopped “because of covid”…
I will quit if/when I’m forced to get jabbed by my employer and I’ll take them to court for constructive dismissal.
Why quit rather than wait for them to sack you?
If they do that as part of a parliamentary legislation as with the care workers then you would lose.
The courts cannot override parliament.
Yes they can!
Surprisingly ill-informed there! Not only can they, they do.
If the govt gets the health workers mandatorily vaxxed, it will be teachers and other public facing professions next then – us.
Yes
Its not nervousness that stops me from having the jab! I know what it contains and I know why its being administered and its nothing to do with our health.
I’ve got more confidence in my immune system than this ‘therapy’ so they can stick it
Me too – its kept me healthy so far and I’m taking extra care through diet and supplements.
Hope this is true, if they stick to it, if ALL workers stick to it, they can win, its as easy as that. Can employers be sued if they coerce through any means and something goes wrong?
Whilst the pharmaceutical companies are immune from prosecution thanks to our government, I’m led to believe the vaccinators are not.