Wales will not be copying England in making Covid vaccination mandatory for care home staff. First Minister Mark Drakeford says that staff in positions of care should take the vaccine, but “there is a very big step taken when you move into compulsion”. This decision is likely to have been swayed by the fact that such a high proportion of care workers have already been vaccinated anyway. WalesOnline has the story.
In Wales the take-up of the vaccine has been extremely high, resulting in as many as 98% of care home residents and 92.3% of care home workers having had their first dose. The percentage when it comes to both doses is equally encouraging – 93.7% for care home residents and 85.7% for care home staff.
However, there are still 2,960 care home employees and 295 care home residents who are yet to receive their first dose – despite being in the top priority groups when the roll-out was announced last December.
A spokeswoman for the Welsh Government confirmed there were no plans to make Covid jabs mandatory for care home staff at this point. She said: “Protecting our most vulnerable people in care homes is at the heart of our response to the pandemic and vaccine strategy.
“While Covid vaccination rates are at such high levels in this group – and in other priority groups and age groups – in Wales we do not see the need at this time to introduce compulsory measures.
“We will continue to work with the sector to promote the importance of vaccination and support any care workers who have not yet been vaccinated to get a vaccine.”
The country has, however, followed England’s lead in delaying the easing of lockdown restrictions by four weeks because “the Delta variant has entered Wales and quickly spread throughout the country”. The First Minister is quoted in Sky News.
There is sustained and accelerating transmission, not just in north and southeast Wales but in all parts of Wales.
It is now the most dominant variant in new cases in Wales. We are once again facing a serious public health situation.
The WalesOnline report is worth reading in full.
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The other problem is that medical records are private so there would be no way to check….
Just to make you aware that medical records are to be shared for “research” purposes I think from 1st Sept. This is an opt out option not an opt in so you need to go to your on line medical records and opt out if you don’t want them shared.
Its also not made easy to find (I had to look for it and I’m computer savvy).
I am aware and I opted out, as getting my NHS medical records deleted (I get better privately rather than use up a meagre NHS ration of treatment) is not possible it seems.
You shouldn’t have your records deleted, but definitely opt out of having your data sold off to private companies.
And, of course, anyone who has done proper research (as opposed to data trawling) knows that ‘sharing’ records in an ethical way means blinding them in terms of individual identity.
How about this, from https://digital.nhs.uk/services/national-data-opt-out/operational-policy-guidance-document/when-does-a-national-data-opt-out-not-apply
The national data opt-out does not apply to the disclosure of confidential patient information required for the monitoring and control of communicable disease and other risks to public health.
The national data opt-out does not apply to the disclosure of confidential patient information where there is an overriding public interest in the disclosure, i.e. the public interest in disclosing the data overrides the public interest in maintaining confidentiality.
What opt out?
There are, apparently, two opt-outs required; one for NHS Digital, for non-GP (i.e. hospital etc.) records, and another to GPs, for their records. It’s quite a broad subject, but one kicker is that records will be “anonymised” by not containing names, but will have postcodes, in encrypted form. Of course, anyone who has the key or knowledge of the encryption method(s) will likely be able to access data by postcode. My postcode covers 14 households, and it wouldn’t be too difficult to narrow down, especially if age is also known.
Other information I chanced upon seems to show a distinct relationship between the data, or some of it, from the two sources e.g. ethnicity, and the mysterious “now you see them, now you don’t” unimplemented fields in the NHS App “Vaccine Status” bolt-on. If so, the passage of personal data might in future be from GP, to Hancock’s grabbed central database and then back out to the NHS App and on to smartphones where people have been stupid enough to instal it.
To note this data grab only applies to NHS England. NHS Wales has no plans to do the same thing at the moment. We don’t even have an NHS app.
Do you really think the ‘government’ or their pets, the police, can’t access your medical records? Can you really trust the doctors, nurses and staff at your local health centre?
It isn’t going to be mandatory anywhere, this is just threats, so far as I can see.
a bit like the COVID laws that all got thrown out by courts.
I agree. Making it mandatory and with a novel vaccine with no long term safety data is basically assault.
I sincerely hope you are right.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/everyone-working-in-care-homes-to-be-fully-vaccinated-under-new-law-to-protect-residents
“We have carefully considered a range of options regarding the extent to which the policy should be extended to other working or visiting adults in care homes.
Regulations will be laid before Parliament as secondary legislation at the earliest opportunity.
If approved by Parliament, there will be a 16-week grace period from when the regulations are made to when they come into force to enable staff who haven’t been vaccinated to take up the vaccine. A majority of adult social care staff will be eligible for their second dose 8 weeks after their first.”
Labour and the Scottish Nazi Party will probably back this?
Yes I agree. It’s a simple case of politicians putting something out there to see what they can get away with. Classic political trick.
Also, of course, some care workers may very well think it is ALREADY compulsory.
I will say this about Drakeford, I do think he seems a more intelligent and measured person than Johnson.
But this must also be balanced by the fact that the uptake in Wales is very good so maybe no need for threats.
It really bloody irritates me that holier than thou pro- vaxxers who step inside a care home once a year at Christmas for an obligatory visit have the gall to instruct people to put their own health at risk to care for a relative they don’t seem to care about, too. W***ers.
What is really tragic is that young women – who make up a large section of care workers-are putting their fertility at risk ( vaccine messes up menstrual cycle ) to tickle the virtual-signalling g-spot of smug pro-vaxxers.
As far as I’m concerned, this is a psychological war.
Covid vaccine rapidly causes menopause
“Drakeford” and “intelligent” (or “measured”) are 2 words that should never be in the same sentence. With a nod to “the Handmaid’s tale”, that man deserves to be on the wall. He’s destroyed Wales.
. . of your own making.
Fuck off with your scare mongering. (I’m finding I swear quite a bit on here and I’m so easy going and mild mannered in reality).
I’m 63 but have found myself using the words “f*ck” (and any derivative you care to think of) and “w*nker” more in the past 18 months than in the previous 61+ years of my life put together!
Aren’t we all! These days a good swear is actually quite enjoyable.
There is research to show that it’s good for your mental health to swear. I find myself having to release the swear valve a f***king lot these days!
My child has reached the age where they delight in finding new swears to show off at school. Sadly I may have inadvertently introduced some weapons’ grade banter into the school, as I’m now shouting abuse at the TV every time one of these w@nk*rs appears with some new ludicrous edict.
Since I moved to France, my swear:non-swear ratio has increased hugely.
I’m 62 and have said the very same thing (well, for the f___ word!) to someone recently!! In the past, I’ve always detested the liberal use of the f word and have said it should only be used when severely provoked. And…
I’ve moved on from the f word to the c word when severely provoked. I actually find it quite liberating 😊
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/everyone-working-in-care-homes-to-be-fully-vaccinated-under-new-law-to-protect-residents
There must be a legal challenge. Knowing the risks associated with these vaccines, the fear I have of having this course through my veins is real and palpable. I would suffer life long anxiety worried what health risks would befall me having been forced to take this vaccine. This would be easy to prove in court, and if challenged legally then all of the evidence regarding the safety of these novel vaccines would have to be aired out in the open for all eyes to see. Time for the lawyers to do their duty.
I would suggest getting a cohort of workers together and in the first instance contact Kirsty Brimelow QC to see if she or someone of that ilk would take it on. Then try crowd-funding. I for one would be willing to put a bit of money up to support this.
Absolutely, once there is a precedent that’s it.
You are far from alone in such a sense of fear. It is a perfectly normal reaction for anyone who has an ounce of intelligence combined with self-regard. I find it absolutely unbelievable the vast number of people who clearly do not attach any importance to taking responsibility for protecting their own lives or well being. Life itself is patently of little value to them.
This will probably be the pattern in England too.
Use scare tactics to force up compliance, and then say it isn’t mandatory when they achieve whatever target they have.
I wonder what their target is? And why?
My thoughts too
This isn’t reassuring
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1576
David Lock QC, a specialist in healthcare law, said a mandatory vaccination requirement would undoubtedly be an interference with the individual’s rights under article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights, the right to privacy, but the question was whether the interference was justified. If so, employers could lawfully require vaccination.
“The answer is probably yes, it is justified, provided anybody who has a justifiable reason not to have the vaccine is able to work without having had the vaccine,” he told The BMJ. “Those who on a whim or for an objectively unjustifiable reason exercise their right not to have the vaccine don’t necessarily have the right to continue with patient facing employment.”
Surely this whole thing is predicated on the vaccines being safe?
Yes – which, forgetting the current issues of adverse side effects, is impossible to establish when there has been insufficient trialling.
You’re right. The safety and efficacy of a vaccine, has to be weighed up and proven before mandating this in an employment situation. This isn’t even a “vaccine” in the traditional sense.
And the disease being serious enough to warrant it? And can’t be treated any other way?
Exactly. I mean, all of us can see this has more holes than a colander, and that it doesn’t stand up scrutiny. And I bet none of us are human rights or employment lawyers. The problem is, will these discrepancies filter through the craniums of the general public at large?
Safe, and necessary.
I would argue that a virus with such a low IFR does not warrant a mandatory vaccine.
We are told by the manufacturers themselves that their only claim is that the ‘vaccines’ won’t stop the recipient becoming infected but in most cases will alleviate any resulting covid19 symptoms. In order to even begin arguing that ‘vaccines’ should be made mandatory, it would have to be proved that they prevent transmission of SARS CoV2, the virus itself. SAGE’s own position regarding the reasons behind lockdown and social distancing measures is that asymptomatic transmission is a real thing. This is of course nonsense but it means that, by their own logic, they cannot argue that by reducing symptoms the risk of transmission is correspondingly reduced. .
When Drakeford makes comparative sense, you know that things are really bad.
Which way is Krankie gonnae go ?
Who are her paymasters? The establishment in Scotland is utterly corrupt, and Queen Nic is desperate for her Braveheart moment.
Wales is a care home
If anyone can afford to contribute to this please do:
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/stop-coerced-vaccination/
Pledge just made. I would also encourage others to contribute if they can. I find the idea of mandatory “vaccination” the most sinister and dangerous thing that has happened in my lifetime (I’m in my 50’s) and I believe everything possible must be done to oppose it. As others have said I am very afraid of the possible long term consequences of the “vaccines” and while I have no objection at all to people taking them if they wish to do so I am 100% against it being mandated or otherwise coerced. Due to my personal situation I can easily see me soon being in a position where I would have no practical alternative but to accept “vaccination” if this policy comes into force. The damage to my mental health as a result of this situation is hard for me to contemplate even if the “vaccine” had no immediate adverse effect. Don’t anyone think that if this comes in it will be limited to care home workers. It will be the entire public sector within months and the entire population within a year. If you can justify it for one group you can justify it for any / all.
Pledge made today; one of several via that route.
If we start to see the government as inept local executors of a global coup, which they are, a lot of this makes more sense. They have been ordered to vaccinate every man, woman, child and infant in the country – whatever the cost – so that we can all become citizen slaves of the nascent dystopian fucked up technocratic new world order. The problem, and what the soulless hubristic fuckwits in Silicon Valley haven’t realised, is that this was already a country with laws, freedoms, and social norms. Hence government feels the pressure to do their new masters bidding but run up against their own legal system. When they are eventually arrested and imprisoned or hanged (because I think we should try them for war crimes and treason) we will have a golden opportunity to remake the country and shine a spotlight on corporate influence and corruption. We must stay positive – the enemy has never been more exposed or more culpable. Stay strong, care workers, the emperor has no clothes and you are the spearhead. We’re all lucky to be witnesses to what will certainly come next.
Bad timing for a global technocratic coup. The powers that be have spent the last few decades making Healthy and Safety and employer liability cornerstones of working life. So mandating dangerous experimental gene therapy is not something employers, previously concerned about employees not getting repetitive strain injury or tripping on a misplaced carpet tile – will be straightforwardly coerced into.
My mum is in a care home with advanced Alzheimer’s.
She’s also had CV19…so I’ve been told. She had a positive CV19 test result, and was a bit unwell for a few days.
She’s not been vaccinated, and she’s not going to be vaccinated.
Sorry can’t help myself but isn’t this like saying they aren’t mandating singing in Wales coz all the f*****s do it anyway? LOL
I will accept any Yorkshire Pudding shit you want to throw my way…arf!
Wales boasts that its sheeples are ultravaccinated.
So:
If we’re in a third wave, vaccines don’t work.
If vaccines work, there’s no third wave.
Which are you going to bleat for, Welshie sheeples?
This “serious public health situation” sees one person in the whole of Wales in intensive care “with” covid last week, and 2 Welsh people dead since 25th May (presumably very elderly and/or with serious underlying health problems). I’m quaking in my boots. Looking at the yellow card data, with the uk averaging about 40 reported vaccine-related deaths a week for the last 6 weeks, with no real sign of this rate declining, I think it’s likely that the death rate from the so-called vaccine is now higher than the so-called virus death rate. (And yes, I know reports to the yellow card system vastly underrepresented the true picture).
How can it be a medical emergency in Wales when only 2% of cases currently testing positive (within the false positive or error range I think)?
Time for the local bureaucrats to study the dictionary definition of ’emergency’.