The debate over the origins of Covid has moved in the direction of the lab leak theory today after it emerged that Chinese scientists deleted dozens of test samples from patients in Wuhan from an international database used to track the evolution of the virus. The files are said to include some data that suggest the virus was circulating in people before – possibly even months before – it was linked to wet markets. The MailOnline has more.
The American professor who spotted their deletion and managed to recover some of the data said they suggested Covid was circulating long before China’s official timeline.
He found the early samples of the virus were more evolved than would be expected of a pathogen that had recently jumped from animals to humans – but did not say it gave more weight to the “lab leak” theory.
Professor Jesse Bloom, a virologist from the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, said he believed China had removed the files to “obscure their existence”.
British scientists told MailOnline the findings confirm Covid was spreading in people before being linked to wet markets, “perhaps months before”.
The latest cover-up comes amid mounting suspicion the virus may have accidentally leaked from a high-level biosecurity laboratory in Wuhan…
The cover-up was detailed in a scientific paper titled “Recovery of deleted deep sequencing data sheds more light on the early Wuhan SARS-CoV-2 epidemic” today.
45 positive samples had originally been uploaded to the National Institute of Health’s (NIH) Sequence Read Archive by the Wuhan University in early March 2020.
The NIH is a U.S. Government agency responsible for biomedical and public health research.
The samples were published as part of a study into diagnosing Covid patients using PCR tests – just days before the Chinese Government issued an order requiring approval of the publication of all coronavirus data.
Professor Bloom noted all 45 samples have since been pulled from the database, with “no plausible scientific reason for the deletion”.
He said the most likely explanation was to “abuse” and “obscure” the truth about the origins of the pandemic.
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Did This Hospital break the Nuremberg Code?
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-06-texas-hospital-staff-vaccine.html
You bet
Texans will fight back against these illegal rulings.
Can Texans boycott hospitals which impose these rules?
It’s different now.
It’s different now, that was un-modern
I’m sure people in my office had it in Dec 19, if I wasn’t told it was unusual I wouldn’t have thought anything of it. Actually I still don’t.
We are in Somerset. The wife was unusually ill Christmas 19, the kids and I were a bit off. We know maybe two dozen people who were notably ill at the same time, strange mixture of symptoms. So far as we know (we asked around them much later), none of them got Covid19. Conversely, of the people we know who did get Covid19, none of them were ill that Christmas.
Also, a research group in the states found that Google Trends showed searches for various terms, notably “diarrhea” correlated will with outbreaks in different states. I tried this for different European countries (used Google Translate to translate “diarrhea”). Sure enough there were big peaks at the end of March/early April …. but *also* over the Christmas and New Year periods.
Nothing certain, but pretty suggestive.
My wife too. Nov 2019. Flu symptoms. Severe for two weeks, medium/mild next two weeks. To be fair there were no ‘odd’ symptoms as far as I can remember. Friend came over to see her. She’d had the regular flu vaccine you see so it was deemed safe. She got it immediately after seeing us and again was very ill for 2 plus weeks. Kids and me didn’t get ill though. That was the last time any of us have had anything worse than sniffles.
An optician friend was ill in Dec 19 came to a new years eve party and left early, not been ill since. Early this year she tested positive for antibodies. She still had the jab though. No-one else at the party became ill.
I know people who clearly had it in December, with plausible contact routes.
Our neighbour in his 70s get very ill late December 2019 hacking continuous cough and all the symptoms. Ended up in ICU for 10 days. His daughter and grandchildren had been visiting from Hong Kong…. I then was ill for 4 days with all the symptoms. This has been around a lot longer than is realised.
then you will hopefully all have natural immunity!
A friend of mine in Dundee says he had it Nov 2020
sorry that was Nov 2019 of course
My uncle actually died of pneumonia in September 2019. I don’t think we’re actually sure what it was. All I know is he was ill for a couple of weeks, developed pneumonia, was hospitalised, didn’t get better, they put him on a ventilator and then he died. The doctor speculated to my other uncle (his brother) that ‘this isn’t pneumonia’ when asked why he wasn’t getting any better despite treatment. At the time I thought it was just one of those unfortunate, tragic things, but now with this going around and given his disease trajectory I’m starting to think this was an early case of corona
Of course my mother in her infinite wisdom determined that it couldn’t have possibly been corona because no one else picked it up
Same here in Suffolk, lots of cases of a weird cough between October 2019 and February 2020, curiously followed by low levels of diagnosed covid, which suggests immunity.
In the previous sixteen years I hadn’t had the flu or any “food poisoning” and only about two colds (several times I spent a couple of days feeling like I was going to get a cold soon, then a couple of days feeling like I just had a cold, without the actual cold in between, which I put down to my immune system at work). However I caught this bastard which means it must have been something out of the ordinary. It was bad but not that bad, I felt off for a few days and developed a nasty prolonged cough, mostly at night. Then it was gone. Imagine that.
I know people in the UK who had it in December 2019.
$1 million bounty to anyone who can prove the vaccines are safe. I can’t wait to see all the people from SAGE with their entries, all the NHS managers, all the greedy Tories and all the Labour good for nothings, all the staff from the BBC and Jabs Army of course. Mr Kirsch is going to be inundated with entries from brainwashed Brits. The head honcho from Jabs Army, the General Jabber, will be foaming at the mouth:
“It all safe. It use dead virus like all vaccines. It just jibby jabby. You might get a sore arm but jibby jabby is safe. Only one in a million get clots. Now give me million. No-one has died. It all a conspiracy theory. Send me million dolla.”
Think the vaccines are safe?
https://trialsitenews.com/think-the-vaccines-are-safe/
The point of this bet is to show that not a single person in the world (including those who analyze all this data at the CDC) actually believes the false narrative that the current gene-based COVID vaccines in the US are safe.
How could anyone with more than half a brain think that these vaccines are safe? Steve Kirsch’s million dollars is going no where.
What seafood market outbreak?
The one with the bat and the pangolin
Bats & pangolins are now identifying as seafood?
I know I’m asked not to be bigoted, but bats can’t even swim.
anybody with a brain knows its a good bet it came out of the Wuhan lab
plenty of evidence that points in that direction
most damning evidence is that they vociferously denied the possibility without looking at the evidence – for me it was nailed on from there. the rest is politics
Indeed. I don’t know how many wet markets there are in China but I bet it’s a lot. Much more than the 1 specialist research into bat viruses centre that exists in China, in Wuhan (at least I hope there isn’t more than one!). Mostly of course, it is about people not wanting to believe something that seems outlandish and frankly pretty scary. But also there is a poor understanding of probability. The relevant question is not ‘Given that the virus came out of China, what is the chance of it coming from a wet market, of which there are many’ but ‘Given that the virus came out of Wuhan, close to the wet market, what is the chance of it being a lab leak, given that the lab specialised in such viruses’. Also, the draconian response by the Chinese government suggests that once they realised there was a leak there was an ‘oh shit’ moment. I doubt they would have been so concerned if it had actually come from the wet market. As far as I am aware mortality rates weren’t massively higher in Wuhan initially, than they have been elsewhere in the world since (happy to be told… Read more »
Yes you only have to apply Ockhams razor?
I have spoken to some of my friends and family about why they don’t believe it and other than the WHO telling them so the reasons seem to be:
1. Sounds too Hollywood. Lab leaks don’t happen. Well yes they do! None of them had any idea that it was almost certainly a lab leak that caused the foot and mouth crisis for example.
2. It’s racist and will lead to people boycotting their local Chinese takeaway etc.
3. Trump said so, so it must be bollocks.
Welcome to critical reasoning 2020s style.
Bet? Racing certainty you mean.
Real or just another psyop to try and gin up appetite among Western populations for conflict with China?
Who can even tell anymore?
Certainly not me.
This news about Wuhan just adds to previous ones about Wuhan that contribute to the idea that the virus was circulating in Q4 of 2019 (or before). News/analysis from before: Former CDC director Robert Redfield says he believes COVID-19 ‘escaped’ from a Wuhan lab and started spreading as early as September 2019 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9406675/Robert-Redfield-believes-COVID-19-escaped-Wuhan-lab.html This finding lends credence to other research from China that shows people were getting sick in Wuhan in November and early December. One analysis, based on satellite images of Wuhan hospitals and online searches for COVID-19 symptoms in the area, suggested the virus may have started circulating there as early as late summer. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-circulated-europe-china-before-wuhan-outbreak-2020-12?IR=T So, apart from many analysis finding sars-cov-2 antibodies in blood samples from Q4 of 2019, numerous analysis finding virus parts in sewage samples from Q4 of 2019, there are now a number of analysis of situation in Wuhan and lab-leak showing it was circulating in Q4 of 2019. (Q4 of 2019 or earlier). How come no one ever wonders publicly why there were no excess deaths in Europe and world in winter 2019/20 if it was already there for several months at least? Sometimes even the people who do these studies and journalists… Read more »
Another huge flag is the high flu deaths experienced by Australia and NZ pre 2020. Did they get their share earlier and have been sitting on herd immunity ever since?
What a mess.
Yes, in Australia, even in the baking hot summer virus off-season, there were record flu infection numbers – with over 40,000 lab-confirmed cases recorded (genuine ‘cases’, for a change) during summer (Dec/Jan/Feb) of 2019, with, presumably, many multiples more that weren’t officially logged because people just got through it without troubling the scorers. Part of the larger than normal flu prevalence during spring/summer downunder could have been Covid rather than flu (there is a lot of symptom overlap), given that the US, Italy and France are just three of the countries where SARS-CoV-2 was kicking up its heels (as found in relevant antibodies in blood samples) from as early as September/October 2019, well before the virus’ official debut. Whilst winter in the top half of the globe was real party time for the virus, its arrival on the scene in Australia coincided with our spring-summer which is hostile to viruses, and this was like putting lead in the virus’ saddlebags, keeping the Australia (and NZ) Covid stats relatively low as herd immunity to the then unknown virus was quietly developing with no one any the wiser as to the new virus on the block. There were no out-of-the-ordinary death spikes,… Read more »
It is not implausible that the crisp peak of deaths in Jan 2021 was secondary to initiation of mass vaccination.
The sign above the Wuhan Institute of Virology ends with the letters CAS. I’m not sure what CAS stands for but think it could be one of the following:-
Completely Abysmal Security
Creating Another SARS
Complacent About Safety
Covid’s Actual Source
Brilliant
China’s Actually Shit
Convinces All Sneakily
Lab leak or not – mainly a virus like c 19 was circulating in mid 2019 (poo sample evidence, strong anecdotal evidence)… this means the entire pandemic narrative was confected out of a bad seasonal virus – the question is why? Ps Australia is good Petri dish for 1. The way ‘seasonal viruses’ are complex and can appear to act out of season and 2. V high T cell immunity because there is massive traffic between China and Australia and no way on earth this virus was ‘kept out’ – corona viruses are v common in Oceania and Asia – ops I wish my neighbours were literate
The CCP only lies when there’s a Y in the day
And yet it’s very distressing when Western governments in the so-called ‘free world’ have replicated their tactics almost 1:1
Please read Hope Simpson’s book on Influenza. Viruses are seasonal crops. Why do bluebells bloom in spring? Exactly.