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As Evidence Grows That Vaccines Do Not Protect Against Infection, the Case For Granting Privileges to the Vaccinated Collapses

by Will Jones
6 July 2021 12:52 PM

Creating a two-tier society where freedoms and opportunities are contingent on whether or not you have received a novel (and not fully tested or licensed) vaccine, and having to reveal that fact to strangers, was never a sound approach from a civil liberties point of view. But as the evidence grows that the vaccines do not prevent infection or transmission, the medical case against this new medical apartheid falls apart as well.

The Covid vaccines were originally intended to protect the vulnerable from serious disease and death, following which life could then return to normal. At some point, though, a new idea emerged: that everyone (including children) should be vaccinated, not in order to protect themselves (their risk was low) but to provide further protection to the vulnerable. Similarly, the idea appeared that the fully vaccinated should have freedoms that the unvaccinated did not, because they were no longer able to transmit the virus.

It’s becoming increasingly clear that this idea is incorrect, and the vaccines do not meaningfully prevent infection or transmission, particularly from new variants. Yesterday, Lockdown Sceptics reported on the new data from Israel showing that the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine against infection had dropped to 64% during the current Covid surge, down from 94% the previous month. (Effectiveness against serious disease as a result of becoming infected held up much better at 93%.) Public Health England has already reported that the effectiveness of the AstraZeneca vaccine has dropped to 60% against the Delta variant. Even these new lower figures may be overestimates, since Israel reports that 55% of new cases are in fully vaccinated people, and since 60% of the country is fully vaccinated this suggests the vaccines are doing very little to prevent infection (a vaccine efficacy estimate on those raw figures would give just 18.5%).

There have also been major outbreaks in highly vaccinated countries like Bahrain, Seychelles, Maldives and Chile.

Underlining the point, the Swiss Doctor has highlighted a case where “a vaccinated Israeli caught the Indian variant in London, infected another vaccinated person in Israel, who infected another vaccinated person, who infected about 80 students at a high school party”.

To some, the idea that the vaccines do not prevent infection or transmission comes as no surprise. As Peter Doshi wrote in the BMJ in October, the trials were not designed to establish this. Furthermore, the vaccines do not produce mucosal IgA antibodies, which have been shown to play a crucial role in fighting infection in the early stages.

Time for governments to abandon the idea that vaccination provides meaningful protection against infection or transmission, and thus any idea of vaccinating people to protect others, or conferring privileges on the vaccinated, including for international travel, as though they will no longer spread the virus.

Governments should make clear that vaccination is purely for personal protection, and therefore also a personal choice in regard to personal risk. There is no social obligation to get vaccinated to protect others, no benefit to vaccinating children, and no warrant for restricting the freedoms and opportunities of the unvaccinated or imposing on them extra costs such as quarantine.

Some will argue that this ‘failure’ of the vaccines means we need to continue restrictions in some form, possibly indefinitely. Indeed, most alarmingly, SAGE appears to believe this. In minutes from April, published this week, the scientific advisers state: “Ongoing baseline measures and sustained long-term behavioural change will be required to control a resurgence in infections.”

The Government has already conceded that local lockdowns (or tiers) may return with new variants that evade vaccines and that it has retained emergency powers for that reason.

But this is the wrong conclusion. The correct conclusion is that by vaccinating the vulnerable we have done what we can to protect them. Indeed, by imposing restrictions on the whole of society for over a year now we have gone above and beyond what it is reasonable to impose on people in the hope of providing some additional protection for some people. Now they are jabbed we must return to normal and end the state of emergency, end all restrictions both in law and guidance, all restrictions on international travel, and cease all threats of re-imposing restrictions nationally or locally. Now that it is clear that vaccines don’t meaningfully prevent infection or transmission we must end all suggestion of special privileges for the vaccinated, and all obligation to be vaccinated to protect others.

The vaccines are imperfect, but we must accept we have reached the limit of what can reasonably be done to protect people – though we should certainly put more effort into finding and approving effective treatment options, especially cheap, repurposed drugs like ivermectin and fluvoxamine, just as we should have done from the start. We can develop booster shots targeting new variants, but like flu vaccines these are likely to have limited effectiveness and it is not reasonable to continue restrictions while we wait for these to arrive.

Time to accept we have done all we reasonably can and more to protect the vulnerable and return to living as a free people once again.

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nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

I cannot say that i will never have this jab, esp if it becomes conditional for employment, but I am very glad i have resisted so far. It is not easy.

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Of course it isn’t about “this” jab, it’s about the indefinite number of injections they come up with henceforth.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

Precisely! A never ending gravy train. Who cares if they don;’t work or even kill and maim people, they still make the same profit. See Bill Gates for details.

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KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

I’m still holding out. My only challenge is travel but as Portugal is on Amber, I’m expecting my airline to cancel anyway…

But the social pressure us immense. I don’t know a single other person who has not had it. It’s making me question myself. But I know I am right

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Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

We’re all here, Kid. You’re right. Have no fear.

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Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

My partner and I personally know 19 people (adults, all over 30, except for one 20 year old) who have refused and will continue to do so. And that doesn’t include the 30 or so people I see at STIP, none of whom have had it. So yes, we are a minority, but we are here.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo

We are home ed’ing out kids (always have, its not a C19 thing) and amongst the other home ed’ers there are a lot who are totally against vaccination. Might be that anyone who home ed’s is already thinking outside the box.

Anyway, if vaccinating kids goes ahead next autumn and schools are getting arsey about it (which it looks like they will), the home ed community is expecting a big influx.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Oh good! Crisis, opportunity and all that. If the end result of all this is that we get a real opposition to the Bond villains trying to take over the world, at least some good has come of this shambles.

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maggie may
maggie may
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

See if you can find a local Stand in the Park group, you’ll find plenty of non-vaxxed there. I only knew one other person who had not been vaxxed until i started going and now i know at least 20!

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

There’s probably loads of people who SAY they’ve been jabbed but decided not to risk it.

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Epi
Epi
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Good point hadn’t thought of that one.

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Personally, I rather like the opportunity to prove that I am not one of the Homo Non Sapiens.

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BTLnewbie
BTLnewbie
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

In the two SITP groups I attend, I reckon there are 50 who haven’t had the jab. You are not alone (although I know it sure as hell feels like it most of the time!).

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Billy Suggers
Billy Suggers
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Carry on holding out.
Lots of us have refuse the jab.
I agree the social pressure to comply can be immense.
Keep you head up & stay strong.

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

There are more of us than the government even realise. Keep your pecker up and be proud to be part of the brave control group!!!

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

You ARE right.
SANITY IS NOT STATISTICAL.
And even if every person in the world, apart from us, asserts that two and two make five, two and two still make four.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/censored-covid-vaccine-victims-demand-answers-private-facebook-group/

Read this, if you’re still unsure.

Most people I know, not including my family, have been vaccinated. All have been ok, as far as I know, bar one, who’s had two two-week hospital stays with blood clots affecting various organs.

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timsk
timsk
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

I assume you weren’t at the London freedom march on 26th June Kid! Had you been, you’d have met circa 500,000 people who haven’t had it! 😉

On a more serious note, it’s fine to question yourself and, I believe, it’s also fine to be open minded to the possibility of having the jab(s) in the future. What matters is that you have it – or don’t have it – becuase you believe that’s the right thing to do and is in the best interests of your personal health. I know lots of people who’ve had it that didn’t want it and only did so because they were duped into thinking it was their civic duty, or that it would protect others. or help to get society to a point where restrictions would be lifted sooner than they otherwise might, etc., etc. These are all the WRONG reasons to be jabbed and many of these people will be seriously pi$$ed off as and when they realise they’ve been conned.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  timsk

No way it was 500,000 (and I was there). 🙂

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timsk
timsk
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Apologies Hugh. I was going to say 1,000,000 but I thought I’d better be conservative because there’s bound to be someone – even here on LS – who would give me grief if I claimed there were that many! 😉

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davews
davews
4 years ago
Reply to  timsk

I can believe a figure around 100,000 but no more. And as for your firstcomment, I was on the march and have had both jabs (I regret it but whatever). I suspect a sizeable number out that Saturday had had the jab even if they won’t admit it.

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Sweyn Forkbeard
Sweyn Forkbeard
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

I sympathise as I am in a similar situation to you, Kidfury. I feel completely isolated from family, friends and colleagues on this issue. Although I have just about managed to put up with and keep my opinions about the masking and other ludicrous rules we have been submitted to largely to myself up until now, I won’t take the “jab” and that is an absolute red line for me. I live in the EU and my family are in the UK so the travel restrictions for the “unvaccinated” might be tough to deal with, but I see it as the lesser of two evils at this point.

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crisisgarden
crisisgarden
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

My entire circle of friends haven’t. We’ve made a pact. Don’t worry you are not alone.

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Sweyn Forkbeard
Sweyn Forkbeard
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

I just tried to reply but for some reason my comment vanished. I meant to say that I sympathised with you since I (and many others, judging from the comments here) also feel isolated from friends, colleagues etc on this issue. If travel for the unvaccinated becomes more difficult it will be tough for me because I live abroad and my family is in the UK but I also plan to stand firm.

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porgycorgy
porgycorgy
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Interesting topic. I personally know 19 people who have been ‘done’, and 10 people who have not been ‘done’. About half of the latter group are determined resisters, prepared to be ‘taken to the camps’. Only one of the group is Covid sceptic, the rest think a real disease has been overplayed for a mixture of hysteria-based/ sinister reasons. Definitely the potential for one or two severe divisions or upsets in the family – with the intolerance coming from Covid zealots.

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Sandieanne
Sandieanne
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

We haven’t had it but we don’t know any others. Perhaps they just aren’t saying though because of the reaction they may get..

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sam s.j.
sam s.j.
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

i’m slowly finding peolple who like me will never get the ‘injection’ so don’t give up we are out there [ and here !]

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Epi
Epi
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

I haven’t and never intend to. Keep on in there my friend you’re doing well I know it’s not easy.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

I understand that is is possible not only to get Antibody tests but also T-cell tests (albeit paid for but not at an unaffordable price). If things get nasty, that is our next port of call.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

The T Spot test only seems available from a few exclusive clinics. Guessing the private jet brigade have taken that option.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

https://privateharleystreetclinic.com/products/t-spot-covid-test £195

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HeresJohnny
HeresJohnny
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Thank you for the link.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Is that T Cell test recognised for the purposes of travel? or anything else for which a vaxx passport is required?

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

I have Mike Yeadon to thank for not taking the jab – I watched an interview he gave about the virus and the vaccines and he advised people to wait and don’t rush into this decision to have the vaccine just so that you can go to the pub again or go on holiday – he advised people to bide their time and see what happens and then decide whether they still want the jab or not..

I’m glad I took his advice – so far its a no from me and my decision hasn’t changed a jot – in fact the longer this insanity goes on the more I’m sure I made the right decision to decline the vaccine.

Once they inject you with this stuff – they can’t take it out again … there’s no going back.

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Billy Suggers
Billy Suggers
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

You last line is correct – and the most horrific part of this.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

And worse than that based on what will writes above they seem to be ineffective for the purposes for which they were supposed to be administered – ie if you had had one you seem to have wasted your time and compromised your health into the bargain

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Way to sell you the booster, and all the next boosters. In fact the worse it works the more boosters you will need

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

having a clotting agent AKA the COVID Spike Protein being made in your cells is your post-jab new normal.

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WeAllFallDown
WeAllFallDown
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

Twitter is going to owe Yeadon such an apology when this is all over. And all those hacks who amplified their fake news.

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10navigator
10navigator
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

Ditto here. Since Mike Yeadon’s information, the figures for adverse reactions to the experimental procedure have worsened considerably. UK reports 1,403 deaths, 1,007,000 adverse reactions by over 300,000 folk. (Swineflu vaccine was ‘pulled’ after 53 deaths).
Add to the above, the dire warnings by Dr Robert Malone, (inventor and patent holder of mRNA vaccine technology since 1989), and you have a more than persuasive case for hanging fire whilst ‘the jury’s out.’
I’m 72 yrs old.

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

I shall certainly never let them stab me unless excessive force is applied and I can no longer resist. Mind you, I am retired so it would be harder to punish me.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Until such times as it can be demonstrated to be safe, and all the evidence at the moment shows that it is anything but safe, I will not be having this jab. There are plenty of medical interventions I would have GREATLY welcomed over the last 20 odd years of my life but, despite making a strong case for them being warranted, the N(o) H(elp) S(ervice) would never make them available to me, and so I had to pay privately for those privileges. I have, to date, resisted the jab, but at the weekend got a letter from my GP surgery telling me they had noticed I hadn’t had it and to make an appointment in order to do so. So, they seem more than happy for me to have an as yet unproven experimental gene therapy, which if I was to question them about they could likely tell me very little, probably because they will get £12.50 if I roll up my sleeve. I found Sunday’s glorification of the NHS with the reports of the George Cross and “Thankyou day” particularly difficult to bear. Excellent article Will. I myself am going with quercetin and vitamin D as my safe… Read more »

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

where does this twelve pounds fifty go anyway? personal profit to doctors, or do they try and dress it up as something moral?

Anyhow, whilst I do not doubt that there are some decent people in the NHS, I’ll guarantee that there are some who absolutely do not merit the George Cross.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

I decided a few months ago that my job is not worth it and have discussed this with my fiancée. I’ll let them try and sack me before taking them to court. I will never let them inject me with this poison.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Glad to hear you’re making a stand. Incredibly, I’ve heard anecdotally of people who have left jobs without a fight because their company has announced a no-jab-no-job policy.

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Old Maid
Old Maid
4 years ago

I pointed out exactly this on the BBC this morning: that it will in fact be the jabbed who are wandering about infected and infectious. That it’s not about public health; just control.

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

Transmission path

Vaccinated -> Young Unvaccinated -> Vaccinated + Unvaccinated

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Old Maid
Old Maid
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Sorry? Maybe I’m dim (although some would say there’s no ‘maybe’ about it!), but I don’t follow you. Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain?

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

I think OP is saying that C19 will transmit through unvaccinated youth and then infect both vaccinated and unvaccinated. I don’t see that as a problem. The young will have no problem with it, and the unvaccinated will have (or will soon get) proper wild-type protection. As I see it, it is the vaccinated (excluding those who had already had C19) who will have problems, because they will have much weaker protection.

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Old Maid
Old Maid
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

That may well indeed be the case, and what Mayo meant. But why not, for example: Jabbed -> anyone else susceptible?

Once they all start up their ‘jabbed only’ clubs and yet STILL continue to get it they might actually open their eyes.

Unless of course blindness is another side effect that will emerge in a few months’ time ….

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

Blindness … LOL.

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

I should have been clearer. I was referring to the path of the significant mutations.

The significant mutations being the ones that may evade vaccine immunity.

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

I’ve summarised it further down. down

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

Medically, if anyone should still be tested, it’s solely the vaxxed.
(I am against THEIR discrimination as such, and I deem all testing to be unnecessary and totally useless as it was sofar and is currently performed- see Achgut.com today.)
We have not just created the variants through this ill-advised mass vaccination beyond the vulnerable, but we have also only created asymptomatic infectiousness through the vaccines, as they artificially suppress the symptoms.
Anyone unvaccinated, without symptoms and not on pain killers always was, is and will be just: HEALTHY!!!!!
And should be treated as such.

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Jane G
Jane G
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

Blimey – did it get broadcast?

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Old Maid
Old Maid
4 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

Oh yes, I do suppose it must have as it was such a pithy comment.

Nah; just a comment on some story or other. By the time I’d left the page, it’d already got a downtick from some beeboid or 77th. I couldn’t be fagged to go back to check on its progress later (is there a shortcut to trawling through all the comments by time of posting? Who knows), but I feel it’s important to have a go now and then.

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Adamb
Adamb
4 years ago

Hear bloody hear. Will they listen? Will they hell.

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago

I need to track my previous comments. I’m pretty sure that, weeks ago, I wrote something to the effect that the vaccines were not preventing transmission.

I was accused of scaremongering because I pointed out that there was a sharp uptick in the ZOE data which didn’t make sense if the vaccines were providing herd immunity.

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Jo Starlin
Jo Starlin
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

You can track your comments via the icon to the right of the “x comments” text. Apologies if you knew this already and I’ve misunderstood you?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Perhaps more worryingly the “vaccines” were not meant to.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago

The case for every aspect of the coronapanic collapsed from the start

There was never a public health case for granting privileges to the vaccinated, nor a moral one. If vaccines work, it makes no sense to grant privileges to the vaccinated, and it makes no sense if they don’t work.

Not the coronapanic is not about actual public health related measures – it is purely political theatre

Trying to make sense of it on any other basis is futile and risks validating whatever claptrap the govt and others happen to be spouting

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divoc origi 19
divoc origi 19
4 years ago

Naturally acquired herd immunity plus focused protection was always the only sensible option… how much fucking longer do we have to go through this theatre?

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
4 years ago

Meanwhile, as you were writing this, Continuity Matt Hancock confirmed a two tier legal system where those who kick against the toxic pricks will be second class citizens with fewer rights.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57733276

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

More bullying from the government to try to force people to get injected! They can fuck right off!

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Just ignore the “advice”.

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SJR
SJR
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

So how does that work with a) kids who currently don’t get vaccinated or b) those who are cannot take the vaccines?

I’m sure there’s a legal challenge there somewhere.

Also this takes no account of those who have had Covid and recovered and likely have better immunity!

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HeresJohnny
HeresJohnny
4 years ago
Reply to  SJR

I am long sufferer from serious allergic reactions and then have had the lurgy in 2019. Why would I take their fucking poison?
I will go to the courts if the dictatorship mandate them.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

The need to self isolate only applies if you have the app on your phone. If you don’t carry a tracking device or have the app on it how will they know who you have been in contact with. I don’t have one – could have been in contact with countless people who have tested positive for something [if data published in the media is anything to go by] but have never had to self isolate.

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KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

And anywhere they makes you scan, I just point my phone and pretend I have the app. Works every time. Anywhere taking details gets fake ones.

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SilentP
SilentP
4 years ago

Well done Will Jones for putting this item above the line.

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Jo Starlin
Jo Starlin
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Will’s always struck me as the most “hardcore” of the above the line regulars.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

On the gene therapies, yes.
You can’t fault Toby on his commitment to free speech and against lockdowns and masks.

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Jo Starlin
Jo Starlin
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

I’d never knock anyone above the line over details, if Toby hadn’t started this site I’d have gone under at the start thinking I was the only person in the world against this evil.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

True

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

None of us know whether Toby might have underlying health issues which make his taking the “vaccines” a reasonable decision. And he shouldn’t have to tell anyone if he does either. This forum has kept me going through some dark and lonely moments.

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

ATL writers should not be immune to criticism, as long as it’s done in a constructive manner.

But agree that Toby should be given immense credit for his efforts to defend liberty and challenge the mainstream narrative.

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WeAllFallDown
WeAllFallDown
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

Debt of gratitude here too.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

Me too.

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Jane G
Jane G
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

Can we award him a Citizen Knighthood? If HMQ can give the NHS a collective George Medal for being shut, we ought to recognise the real good guys in all this. I can think of several more.

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sam s.j.
sam s.j.
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

me too,as much as am against the ‘vaccines’ its a life saver to find out there are others out there like me so thank you toby will adn mike yeadon adn everyone here

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

Or, to put it another way, the one who is thinking with the most clarity

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Indeed. Excellent article.

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Matt Mounsey
Matt Mounsey
4 years ago

This is one of the articles I’ll keep for when this is over. It’s a great testament to Will Jones’ tireless and measured scepticism on the so-called vaccines.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago

Welcome to the club, Will.
It was always thus.
To clarify further, there is also zero medical justification for different testing, travel and quarantine requirements, zero for different infection reporting criteria or differing ct numbers to establish that and absolutely effing ZERO justification for the currently most despicable discrimination of ‘no jab, no job’.

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zners
zners
4 years ago

oh dear oh dear. The jibbby jabbys are going to lose it

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Trojan House
Trojan House
4 years ago

Good luck trying to convince governments AND people that they should only be vaccinating to protect themselves, etc. They’ve won that battle unfortunately…

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Trojan House

We’ll see.
The cracks are becoming more visible for everyone who hasn’t decided to look away.

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KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Which us why they want those of
us who are not vaccinated punished for our decision

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meltemian
meltemian
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

It’s certainly looking that way.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

>The correct conclusion is that by vaccinating the vulnerable we have done what we can to protect them. Indeed, by imposing restrictions on the whole of society for over a year now we have gone above and beyond what it is reasonable to impose on people in the hope of providing some additional protection for some people. 

There is one thing left… Just make sure to spread a previous SARS virus around and this provides excellent protection, no need for jabs either.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

My wife (biologist) has talked about this, since it was discovered (by, IIRC a German vaccine group) that previous Sars infection provided some protection to Sars-Cov-2. Her immediate thought was, take the existing known coronaviruses, find out which gave useful protection to Sars-Cov-2 without significant downsides (like getting a shuffly nose), and then spray it about.

I guess it would not have been terribly profitable.

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Jo Starlin
Jo Starlin
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Cross immunity. The most feasible reason for the extremely low impact it’s made in the Asia-Pacific region.

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Well there’s the “delta variant” which seems to be working very much as a vaccine. Highly contagious but non-lethal, spreading herd immunity without the downsides of any of the not-vaccines

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Susan
Susan
4 years ago

As Evidence Grows That Vaccines Harm and Kill You, the Case for Forcing Them on Populations Collapses
There you go, Will. Your next column headline.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Susan

I have stated yesterday already that there could well be a real, despicable and solely monetary ‘case’ behind it:
Imagine they knew, deliberately sowed confusion by demanding only the unvaxxed to be tested, increased uptake hereby, and now (have to) make a U turn, demanding such testing from the vaxxed only, constantly and for good.
A huge money spinner in perpetuity.
The monetary perpetuum mobile, aka Bill Gates’ and George Soros’ wettest dream coming true.

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Mark
Mark
4 years ago

Yes, the fact that the vaccines don’t prevent transmission renders the entire justification for mass vaccination false.

If vaccines prevent transmission then you can arguably use mass vaccination to create firewalls to protect people from the disease, and artificially (albeit far less efficiently) create herd immunity comparable to that provided by natural spread.

But if the vaccine does not prevent spread and only protects against severe outcomes, which is now pretty clearly the case for the covid vaccines, then the case for mass vaccination cannot be made. The only legitimate use for the vaccines is as targeted protection for the specific people for whom their risk from covid is sufficiently large to render it sensible to take the costs and risks of vaccination – a tiny minority.

Mass vaccination is now inarguably a criminal waste of resources.

Last edited 4 years ago by Mark
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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Interestingly, like the whooping cough vaccine:
https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/about/faqs.html

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JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

To be fair to those who issue the leaflets to potential recipients, they have never claimed that the ‘vaccines’ prevent infection, or transmission of the virus to a third party. The rest of it is political spin, under the NHS banner. They appear to be drugs intended to mitigate the symptoms in those who are vulnerable; not much more than that. However, they are somewhat economical with the truth regarding the risks they cause to those who choose to take it on (the manufacturers are legally immune at present).

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

Track and Trace failed to work: => More Track and Trace.

Masks failed to work: => More Masks.

Lockdowns failed to work: => More lockdowns.

Vaccines failed to work: => More Vaccines.

I’m beginning to see a pattern here.

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PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

The biggest problem has been not enough communist advisors. Definitely need more communists.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

Odd, Communism is normally the producer of shortage.

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

‘Around 5.1 million people are currently thought to be on waiting lists. However, health bosses ‘believe there could be a further 7.1 million who stayed away during the Covid pandemic but who will come forward demanding treatment’

https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/science-health/953208/nhs-facing-biggest-pressure-in-history-with-12-million-awaiting

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Get them all into hospital and give them covid as well

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

I think the Tory ‘free’ marketeers and ‘neo’liberals cornered the market in stupidity and venality – there’s not a lot left to go round.

Last edited 4 years ago by RickH
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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

You are obviously a student of ignoring the carnage Marxism has caused.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Einstein: The definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different outcome.

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Deborah T
Deborah T
4 years ago

Will Jones, yet another excellent article from you. Thank you.

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
4 years ago

So if this vaccine doesn’t protect you from covid and its variants and it doesn’t guarantee that you cannot pass the virus on …. then what exactly is it doing?

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

It reduces the severity of the symptoms, which reduces hospitalisation and deaths amongst those who catch it and are susceptible.

The headlines all focus on “Delta Cases” – because the actual impacts are now lower than normal flu.

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

But it does this with far less efficacy than ivermectin, which cost ‘pennies’ and has no side effects.

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Any evidence to back that up? Why did so many countries including the UK have spikes when the vaccine was rolled out?

We’re in off season at present, the same as last year. Let’s see how hospitalisations and deaths are looking in three months.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

making money for big pharma?

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JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Unless they’ve lost their reputation, with falling sales for other products; who knows? More corporate bankruptcy and reorganisation could be on the way.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
4 years ago

This is about behavioural science (the PR name for propaganda), not immunology.

Every step is a foot in the door, and mission creep is endemic.

History shows appeasement never works. There comes a point when you have to say enough, then stand and fight.

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A Heretic
A Heretic
4 years ago

How dare you bring a sensible argument into a mad house.

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago

As the only tests on these so-called vaccines supported a small ( 1% increase an Absolute Risk Reduction) in at least one symptom, and nothing whatsoever to do with immunity or transmission, this is not surprising surely. Even the ‘vaccine’ packets have this written on them, even the emergency use was granted with this disclaimer. Its only our freedom loving governments that have ran the psyop campaign telling lies about immunity and transmission.
Just to add a delicious twist to this the French have been investigating the Indian-sourced AstraZenica jabs. It transpires that not only have they not been approved by the EMA, but they have undergone a ‘name’ transplant in both the UK and Canada. So many millions of people , including apparently a certain Mr Johnson , have been jabbed with an unapproved ( EMA) ‘vaccine’. and thus millions are potentially barred from travel under the latest restrictions.
Of course they are all equally useless in terms of the rationale for using them for ‘travel’ restrictions’, but I wonder who will be the first to turn away the UK’s leader.
https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Questions-raised-over-Covishield-UK-vaccination-and-EU-travel?utm_source=Master+List&utm_campaign=125868118c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2021_07-06&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_9b5fbe85b4-125868118c-357796174&mc_cid=125868118c&mc_eid=fb17ae8d0a

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Ruth Learner
Ruth Learner
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Spot on – all this chatter about these vaccines almost gives them credence – the ARR is very low across all and the side effects are mounting- I would suggest scrap the entire program before more young people die. Reading about deep pharmaceutical corruption and control over every facet of the medical industry in ‘The Illusion of Evidence-based Medicine’ (a v detailed analysis) makes me more than sceptical about the entire vaccine complex – but especially these ‘emergency ‘ drugs- good luck to those double jabbed. You might need it.

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Billy Suggers
Billy Suggers
4 years ago

As with all of this stuff, in many ways I hope I am wrong but…do the jabs (I can’t call them vaccines) even prevent serious illness or death, both of which are running at similar levels to last summer. We have an attenuated version of the virus – the Indian Delta variety – which if more transmissible is also likely to be less deadly. Combine that with summer and the usual seasonal reduction in respiratory tract infections. Hey Presto – lower levels of illness.
Timing of the jab roll out could mean there is a coincidental correlation between jabs and reduced death / hospitalisation, but correlation is not necessarily causation.
We could have jabbed a large portion of the population for no good reason.
I’m still resisting the social pressure to have the jab.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  Billy Suggers

Worth considering Portugal; big wave at the beginning of this year, then fell way back down before significant vaccine penetration. Similarly Bulgaria, lowest vaccination rate in Europe, but numbers have collapsed.

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Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Winter infections in the UK peaked around the 26th December 2020, well before the non vaccines (or indeed the lockdown) could have been the cause. This “wave” of “infections” has probably been caused by the “vaccines” depressing natural immunity.

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
4 years ago

…

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

Much less known, but similar results (no winter wave last year, like other Eastern European countries): Croatia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkVIMZQrqEM&t=2390s

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

And yet they are looking at mandatory vaccines. Not about a virus.

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sgf
sgf
4 years ago

Antibody testing, for me, looks like a better way. If you have antibodies no need for the vaccine! And probably unlikely to pass it on either! I paid for a test out of curiosity. £50. The minimum for positive antibodies is 0.8U/ml, mine was 150 Well above the minimum. So no need for a vaccine! I might do another test in a month’s time to see if the immunity fades!

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HeartofGold
HeartofGold
4 years ago
Reply to  sgf

I had a single dose of AZ in late April (when I saw some benefit for future travel, and little risk), then a mild adverse reaction, still there after 12 weeks so canned the second. Meanwhile positive antibodies from 4 weeks ago on the same Roche test were 5.0 U/mL (8 weeks after the first dose), so something but not that much, then a few days ago 5.9 U/mL (going up when it should be declining). So it is weird and doesn’t tell me much except that I do regret having had the first dose and no one else in my family is getting any vaccinations, given the latest data. Natural immunity is much better and more reliable than yet more dodgy pharmaceutical products.

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KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  sgf

Where did you get the test?

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Richard Austin
Richard Austin
4 years ago

There is no chance on God’s Earth or whichever deity you choose including the God Atheism that I’ll be ever having it. The manufacturers made it clear from the start that none of the vaccines were intended to prevent either catching or passing on Covid. They simply do not do that. What they do is invade every single cell in your body: brain, eyes, ears the lot and nobody, literally nobody, know what will happen to you when it goes wrong.

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JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  Richard Austin

Correct. No one knows in advance, but what we can see is what does happen via various spreadsheets (often published on this site) with lists of real problems, via the American records etc.

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ebygum
ebygum
4 years ago

Time for governments to abandon the idea that vaccination provides meaningful protection against infection or transmission

Add it to the list. The Tyrants abandoned any scientific fact many months ago!
Remember hands, face, space? Not a lick of evidence for any of it, yet here we are!

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NonCompliant
NonCompliant
4 years ago

Lockdown Tyranny 4EVER. I honestly didn’t see that one coming.

It would be a twist in the tale if all those who took the jab without question end up in serious trouble due to ADE, free floating spike proteins in their bloodstream and Lipid Nano Particles accumulating in their ovaries and testicles wouldn’t it?

It’s only been 24 hours since the BoJo announcement and the deluge of bad news is in full flow. It’s almost as if they planned it this way.

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Sforzesca
Sforzesca
4 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

No, never. Your cynicism almost surpasses mine.

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NonCompliant
NonCompliant
4 years ago

It’s quite surprising this is only just news. The Dr Richard Fleming’s presentation goes through all the trial data for the 3 vaccines and shows the Absolute Risk Reduction varies between approx 1%-1.5% LMFAO

These things were always a pointless exercise.

I wonder how the jabbed, true believers are going to react when reality and facts leak into the media discourse? I guess the main objective is to keep a lid on the Infection Fatality Rate AKA the Elephant in the room!

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Will
Will
4 years ago

Whilst we are in the process of applying for vaccine injury compensation for my daughter, whose autoimmune conditions were caused by the MMR, I am not anti vax per se. But these are not neutralising vaccines and I am bloody pleased I have resisted which I intend to do until the Norwegians fully license them, which I think is unlikely to happen.

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StPiosCafe
StPiosCafe
4 years ago

Amazing ignorance by Will Jones: “Israel reports that 55% of new cases are in fully vaccinated people, and since 60% of the country is fully vaccinated this suggests the vaccines are doing very little to prevent infection.”

No surprise there!If all people were fully vaccinated, then 100% of new cases would be in fully vaccinated people.

Last edited 4 years ago by StPiosCafe
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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  StPiosCafe

Yes, they would, because they don’t work. 🙂

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  StPiosCafe

Will knows that very well.
The point of that correlation is that you would expect a far bigger discrepancy between the two numbers than just 5%age points if the vaccines were efficient, let alone 95/100% efficient, as the cases would then predominantly have occurred amongst the unvaxxed only.
Unvaxxed now: 40% of people, 45% of cases.
If the vaccines were 95% efficient in preventing infection, this would read 40% of people but 95% of cases.
And for the 60% vaxxed, 5% of cases then instead of 45% currently (mathematically simplified, extra for you). Got it?!

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  StPiosCafe

Thick as well as stupid.

Go and ask sarge for some advice.

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