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Alarming Number of Brits Want Restrictions to Continue Permanently, According to New Poll

by Michael Curzon
8 July 2021 6:56 PM

Last month, leading SAGE member and renowned Communist Susan Michie caused a stir (among sceptics, at least) by suggesting that mask-wearing and social distancing should become part of our “normal” routine behaviour and stay in place “forever“. Unfortunately, her view is not quite as fringe as we might hope.

New polling by Ipsos MORI for the Economist suggests that a high percentage of Brits believe a number of lockdown restrictions should stay in place “permanently”, including nighttime curfews (19%), travel quarantine (35%), and face masks (a whopping 40%!). Well over 40% of Brits also believe that only those who have been vaccinated against Covid – and are able to prove it – should be allowed to travel abroad (“permanently”).

Matthew Holehouse, a British Politics Correspondent at the Economist, says this could be an anomalous result because we’re living through a “very strange time for public opinion”: “Do some people struggle to differentiate how they feel now from how they’ll feel once covid is gone?” Either way, the results are alarming.

NEW: @ipsosmori polling for The Economist shows some Brits support anti-covid restrictions *permanently*, regardless of covid risk. Inc:

– 19% for nighttime curfews
– 26% for closing casinos and clubs
– 35% for travel quarantine
– 40% for maskshttps://t.co/bcYpSbCFNB pic.twitter.com/I7K3fEn2YC

— Matthew Holehouse (@mattholehouse) July 8, 2021

The write-up from the Economist is worth reading if you can get past the paywall.

Stop Press: There’s bad news from YouGov, too. Its latest polling suggests that more than one-fifth of Brits are “very nervous” about lockdown restrictions ending and more than 50% are either “very nervous” or “fairly nervous”.

What kind of nation have we become?

The YouGov findings are also worth viewing in full.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
4 years ago

Once upon a time we were a free country – but even now i suspect people who want to stay in perpetual lockdown will be permitted to to so

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

If THEY want to stay in perpetual lockdown, let em!!!
Just leave the rest of us to TRY to return to NORMAL.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Less cars on the road. Less people at the places you want to go to. Less people all over the place. Winnner-winner,

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tom171uk
tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Fewer maybe?

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sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

I’ve been waiting to use this

9D60E55B-FD61-4768-ACD7-620154B3EC7C.jpeg
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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

:))

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PatienceofJob
PatienceofJob
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

It’s a good job that apostrophe is correctly placed

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Better grammar a requirement!

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Are you using grammar as a verb there?

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Less of a quantity, fewer of a number. Less potato, fewer potatoes or, as in the government’s case, less stupidity, fewer idiots.

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beancounter
beancounter
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Absolutely right. I am sitting in the bar of a hotel near Aviemore; you wouldn’t believe the behaviour of some of the guests, mainly English, who are convinced that the virus is slumbering until you stand up. One woman has put her mask on to move from one chair to another, less than one foot away, because a friend was joining her for a drink. Honestly, it was almost comedic. But these people, retired and well-spoken so possibly intelligent, are the kind of people who think we should all stay hiding behind our sofas for years.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
4 years ago
Reply to  beancounter

nailed it

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TreeHugger
TreeHugger
4 years ago
Reply to  beancounter

I recently watched a couple, who were sat outside drinking, put masks on to get up and walk 10 paces, take the masks off to smoke a cigarette, then put the masks back on to return to their table. Utterly moronic.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
4 years ago
Reply to  TreeHugger

as long as they were filtered cigarettes – that keeps the smoke out

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Epi
Epi
4 years ago
Reply to  TreeHugger

“who were sat”?

Since we’re in pedant mode today it’s “who were sitting”.

Apologies for being a Dick!

PS I did give your comment the thumbs up.

Last edited 4 years ago by Epi
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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  beancounter

They can. In fact, I hope they do.
They gave chosen the country of the living dead.
We belong to the land of the living.

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  beancounter

I’ve seen a man forget for a second that there was a deadly pandemic ongoing within the cafe I had visited for lunch. he made his way to a free table and as the waitress came over, “Oh no, my mask!” he said. “Don’t worry, you’ve made it here now” replied the smiling unmasked waitress.

“No, no. My fault” as he takes out a mask from his pocket and puts it on.

Orders his food.
She leaves.
He takes it off.

I am looking at this with my jaw on the floor.

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AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
4 years ago
Reply to  BeBopRockSteady

The insanity continues. Scenes like this will make wonderful material for a sketch show in the future provided we’re not going to censor humour as well. It really is too ridiculous.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  beancounter

I’m not sure they actually ‘believe’ it in any real sense. It doesn’t reach that level of cognitive process. They just ‘do’ it when ordered.

‘Ja, mein Fuhrer!”

Just came across I nice quotation from one of the Rebus novels :

“… it was so much the underworld that you had to fear so much as the overworld”


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smithey
smithey
4 years ago
Reply to  beancounter

It’s frightening how easily brainwashed most people are.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  smithey

If there is a brain to wash.

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smithey
smithey
4 years ago
Reply to  William Gruff

Exactly.

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Epi
Epi
4 years ago
Reply to  beancounter

“well-spoken so possibly intelligent” – quite, as I pointed out to a “gentleman” who informed us “oiks” on the way back from the London march that he was “well educated” (so obviously knew better than us) – education does not necessarily equal intelligence.

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EdT
EdT
4 years ago
Reply to  Epi

And intelligence does not, necessarily, correlate with rationality. It’s the latter that’s in short supply these days, at least among those classes of people that are attempting to run our society. As Orwell wrote in 1984: “If there is hope, it lies with the Proles”.

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Owens57
Owens57
4 years ago
Reply to  EdT

It’s good old fashioned “common sense” that’s seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth

Last edited 4 years ago by Owens57
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EdT
EdT
4 years ago
Reply to  Owens57

I don’t disagree, I was using “rationality” as a synonym for “common sense”. But I stand by my thesis: you’re more likely to find rationality among the ‘lumpenproletariat’ (as the middle class wokerati tend to characterise the good yeomen of this land), than amongst the Guardian-munching, lentil-reading classes of Islington, Hampstead, etc.

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Epi
Epi
4 years ago
Reply to  Owens57

As an old boss of mine used to say “the trouble with common sense is it’s not very common”.

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Epi
Epi
4 years ago
Reply to  EdT

Good point Ed T thank you.

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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
4 years ago
Reply to  Epi

Sometimes quite the opposite in fact.

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hilarynw
hilarynw
4 years ago
Reply to  beancounter

This is one of the most idiotic ‘rules’ there is. I would like to interview some of these obedient people to see what theories they come up for its existence. Might be good for a laugh!

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Javy
Javy
4 years ago
Reply to  hilarynw

Almost as idiotic as the ‘one way’ barbecue system recommended by some ‘expert’ last year !

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

I don’t understand telegram, i happen to sit in a church on a Sunday morning with rather a lot of lockdown sceptics – i take your point though

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Trish
Trish
4 years ago
Reply to  Lockdown Sceptic

139 pages of rules and regulations for “returnees” in NZs MIQ https://www.miq.govt.nz/assets/operations-framework-managed-isolation-and-quarantine-facilities.pdf

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wantok87
wantok87
4 years ago
Reply to  Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

You need a free Press to have a free country!

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  wantok87

Can one have a free press under private ownership?

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jsampson45
jsampson45
4 years ago
Reply to  William Gruff

Under government ownership, then?

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  jsampson45

Good God No!

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fionn.dunne
fionn.dunne
4 years ago

“What kind of nation have we become?” Regrettably one to get out of if it becomes possible.

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10navigator
10navigator
4 years ago
Reply to  fionn.dunne

We did (get out of Blair’s Britain) 20 years ago. Here in Spain it’s not much better. Our 26 yr old son manages a nightclub on the costas. The owner has passed on the Catalunya edict that he must either be subject to the gene therapy, or undergo a daily antibody test at €8 a pop. He’s opted for the latter.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

Still less than 50%, though!!

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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Exactly. Let’s focus instead on the fact that the majority don’t want any of that rubbish.

52% wanted Brexit FFS and that was considered a mandate. So let’s push on and kill off all of those horrible measures.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I voted for Brexit but I wanted hard, fast and total. Our vote certainly put the wind up the globalists (G’s) and contributed to our current plight. The G’s thought their Reset was under threat and the shit-show started.

That is why Brexit is being thwarted at every opportunity. That is why the Union will be destroyed before 2030. And also why our population will be destroyed before 2030.

Under UK first past the post 52% is a mandate.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
4 years ago

One where we listen to a self selected set of people who answer polls as though it is actual public opinion.

In a GDPR world is impossible for marketeers to get a representative sample without breaking the law.

You may as well canvas opinion on Twitter. Probably the same set.

Last edited 4 years ago by Lucan Grey
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PhilButton
PhilButton
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

I do yougov polls and they don’t stop you replying to the same survey multiple times … They’re meaningless …

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago

“once covid is gone” Covid has gone, in the sense of a public health emergency requiring special measures. Arguably it was such a thing for a few weeks in spring 2020.

The results are not at all surprising. Propaganda works, and the total exposure to covid propaganda on TV, radio, posters, newspapers and all over social media has probably surpassed any propaganda campaign in history.

The UK govt, led by that well-known closet Libertarian Boris Johnson, was a major financial and political and intellectual contributor to that campaign. A PM often seemingly defended by LS as the hapless victim of nasty bullies.

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aussienomad
aussienomad
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yeah think they missed an answer on the Economist multiple choice poll

a) For a month after July 19th
b) Until covid-19 is under control globally
c) Permanently, regardless of covid-19

or

d) Stick your restrictions up your arse!

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mka1221
mka1221
4 years ago

Millions of these gutless, small-minded, cowardly wimps should be marched off over the nearest cliff. These people are lemmings.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  mka1221

No need to march them. Just tell them that at the bottom of the cliff they’ll be saaaaaaaafe.

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smithey
smithey
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

In order to save lives and protect the nhs you have to throw yourself off the nearest cliff………

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annicx
annicx
4 years ago
Reply to  smithey

I’ve been saying the same for 12 months and I think some actually would. It’s the logical thing to do if you genuinely believe that you are responsible for the health others.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

No need for anything except waiting until the next virus activates the ADE in the jabbed.

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Woden
Woden
4 years ago
Reply to  mka1221

This is a blatant insult to lemmings!

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arfurmo
arfurmo
4 years ago

Another one of those “worth reading full” links which means registering .

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divoc origi 19
divoc origi 19
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

Don’t worry, it’s another one of those that really aren’t worth reading in full as it will make your blood boil.

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Draper233
Draper233
4 years ago

First, polls should always be taken with a large pinch of salt.

Second, they’re sheep. Even at 40% they’re in a minority, and as less and less people wear a pointless mask, the sheep will just follow the herd.

There will of course remain a hardcore of fanatics, but once they’re in a tiny minority they will be forced back to hanging around on street corners crying “the end of the world is nigh” or whatever else they were doing before Covid.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

I read somewhere about one of the baltic states (Estonia maybe?) dropping the mask requirement. The poster said that at first a lot of people carried on, but within a couple of weeks, hardly anyone was left. So, I think you are right about the herd.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

I have noticed that months ago at the private school through whose grounds I pass daily: once a noticeable minority didn’t bother to wear masks anymore though still being mandated, the vast majority did so within a week, and the few holdouts then gave in a week later.

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AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

In a town in Somerset known for its free-thinking etc, masks are not mandated everywhere and actually I entered a shop maskless, despite seeing everyone else all masked up, went up to counter where the maskless sales woman dealt with my order with a smile and without batting an eyelid. The same went for a bookshop. I think the herd need to see some maskless people going about their business boldly and happily before they remove theirs. It is the herd looking for confirmation thing…

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prod_squadron
prod_squadron
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

The timid watch the brave until they feel it is absolutely safe to get back in the water. They are likely the same people who buy at the very peak of the stock market.

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JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Reminded me of local elections, in which the majority don’t actually vote, with turnouts being around 30% or so in many places.

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
4 years ago

And people wonder how the nazis ever came to power… It’s also strange how the start of lockdowns throughout Europe happened almost 100 years to the day after the founding of the Nazi Party… Our society is blind and forgetful.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

I had a feeling that extremism would rear its ugly head this decade (the world was rapidly becoming economically and morally bankrupt). By other means maybe, but be in no doubt that this is a form of (effectively totalitarian) extremism we are living through. And maybe worse to come.

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Woden
Woden
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

History repeating itself?.. never..

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Through a PR electoral system.

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iane
iane
4 years ago

“New polling by Ipsos MORI for the Economist”

Ha ha ha ha ha!

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  iane

I mean, Ipsos MORI! Take a look at who funds this, to see how it moulds to the narrative!

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helenf
helenf
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Just another one of those coincidences that Ipsos mori translates to “they die”.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

No it doesn’t. You could just about force it to mean ‘[somebody wants] those same people to die’, but basically it’s meaningless – just like their polls.

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off_the_charts
off_the_charts
4 years ago

Polling paid for by the Economist…I think that says it all. These Economist-funded poll results just happen to indicate the public are hot to trot for more restrictions. Hogwash. None of this junk can be trusted at this point. Polling is being used as social engineering.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
4 years ago
Reply to  off_the_charts

”and what result do you want this pole to achieve sir?”

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago

I’m generally sceptical about a lot of these types of polls, in the sense that I don’t attach much value to their results (which is different to whether I agree or disagree with any particular position),

For instance, how nervous do you feel about covid-19 restrictions lifting. What counts as nervous? Nervous you will get infected and die? Nervous that you will get ill? Nervous that you will get a lot of hassle for behaving “normally”. The questions (or maybe the presentation of the results) is so vague as to be meaningless.

And in the bar graphs, most of them add up to over 100%. I’d guess that the numbers are overlapped (so “until covid is over” includes “for a month” because covid will not be over in a month), but it is pretty strange.

Plus, I expect the reality to be that, once restrictions are eased, the nervous nellies will relax pretty quickly.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Re. you last paragraph – it depends very much on leadership and it’s aims.

‘Nuff said.

But don’t suck the comfort blanket of thinking the polls are the problem.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I’m not sucking on “the comfort blanket of thinking the polls are the problem”. My point so far as they are concerned is that I don’t attach much value to the results on way or the other. They are, essentially, just white noise.

And re. my last paragraph, maybe i should have said once/if.

Last edited 4 years ago by miketa1957
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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

My point is that I find that the poll results as reported are very much in line with what I see happening, and what I hear people saying. I don’t like it, but it looks pretty representative.

I agree that this could change if….. but current political leaders are at best weak poll followers of little courage or brain – not brave leaders.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I know the polls ask leading questions because I’m a YouGov member, but I agree that they do reflect people’s views to a fairly large extent. I think it’s wishful thinking to dismiss them as fake. That said, I also believe many people’s minds can and will be changed, given time and the right stimulus.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Minds? What minds?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Well, whatever people have between the ears. It baffles me, but I guess we’re all different.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

My view, too. Polling organisations need to make a profit – being serially wrong is not in their interests.

Apart from that, the general findings gel with experience. Which is not to say that there can’t be a sudden tipping point to a different general perception : the GBP is infinitely malleable, and current ‘leadership’ is without intellectual or moral compass – attracted by any passing magnet.

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annicx
annicx
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Probably, but I think that so much depends on the framing of the question as most people are easily led- ask any salesman or woman!

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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The questions are skewed. I no longer do it.

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adam1
adam1
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

I’m a building surveyor and a large amount of my work comes from social housing providers (housing associations, local authorities etc) and despite the fact that it has always been perfectly within the rules to continue to survey their properties, they are by nature bed-wetting, busy body virtue signallers, so most of my work dried up until this April. Since then, I have found, almost without exception, that nobody wants me to wear a mask when I enter their homes and everyone is absolutely sick of this. The sense that we have been taken for a ride seems to be taking hold, especially since ‘freedom day’ was postponed amd the G7 shenanigans.
I don’t believe the opinion polls in the least. I meet and converse with hundreds of people each week and nobody (except for a few obvious nutters) is actually on board any more.

Last edited 4 years ago by adam1
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Laicey
Laicey
4 years ago

I was in Scotland seeing family this week. My sister (a doctor) is also keen for restrictions to continue. I didn’t push the issue as I was there to take the kids on holiday to help with her mental health issues partly caused by lockdowns. Sounded like a BBC narrative though.

Saw my uncle who is on oxygen for a terminal lung condition and will likely die this year regardless. He’s keen on masks but is quite keen that people live a life rather than try to protect him. I did a test before seeing him and will get a stock of the tests before my next visit.

There are retirement bungalows next door to my house. They are all fed up with the whole thing and would not wish for anyone to have their life ruined to protect them. They most want to play golf and see their family.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Laicey

People who want restrictions to continue are just utterly selfish.

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Laicey
Laicey
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

I was surprised by my sister’s view. She is not selfish. She gives more than she gets. I think it’s the propaganda.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Laicey

Point taken.

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BoycottEuropeanEmpire
BoycottEuropeanEmpire
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Most of them are well-off, have company at home, jobs and incomes largely unaffected by restrictions and plenty of private space.

‘I’m all right, Jack!’

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  BoycottEuropeanEmpire

Ain’t that just the case? Those I know, who are loving their lockdown, are mostly retired with comfortable homes. Mind you they all had their jabs but are still waiting to go on holiday…

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

They’re pensioners and they’ve had their jabs? That’s another drain on the treasury taken care of then)

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Stephanos
Stephanos
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

I am semi-retired, I have a comfortable home, I have not had ‘the jabs’, nor will I, and I have been against this nonsense even before it started.

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annicx
annicx
4 years ago
Reply to  BoycottEuropeanEmpire

Definitely. My sister in law admitted this without realising when the ‘delay’ was announced, saying that it was the right thing to do and she could still go out for tea, shopping, visits and so on. I have to admit I nearly lost it with her- pointing out that there are people living in bedsits in big cities or business owners that may have used the last of their cash reserves preparing for ‘freedom day’ that could well be feeling suicidal right now, but apparently it won’t hurt them to wait a few weeks…

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  BoycottEuropeanEmpire

Don’t forget Jill.
In the spirit of political correctness, etc.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

For many it’s fear, for some of what they believe to be an existential threat to mankind, for others of being thought delinquent.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  William Gruff

True.

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Stephanos
Stephanos
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

How many of them are public-sector jobsworths?
Who, let it NOT be forgotten, have not suffered any financial penalty for the past 16 months.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Laicey

Exactly! I hate how the vulnerable and the elderly are used to push their disgusting agenda. I’m classed as “vulnerable” as I take an immune-suppressant drug to control RA but I have never, EVER, expected anyone to behave in such a way to “protect” me! My health is my responsibility, and mine alone. I look after myself and take necessary precautions like hand washing but not using that sanitising gloop, and I have never worn a filthy face nappy. I’ve been absolutely fine, trying to live life as best as I can.

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Ruth Sharpe
Ruth Sharpe
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

My Dad also takes a drug for RA – his comment on all of this is that it is the biggest farce in history. He will have no truck with it & never has!

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  Laicey

‘My sister (a doctor) is also keen for restrictions to continue … I was there … to help with her mental health issues partly caused by lockdowns.’ Sounds like a form of Stockholm syndrome, where captives, as Huxley foretold, come to love their captivity, even though they are free to come and go. I hope her problems are temporary and not too serious and she makes a full recovery. The lockdowns have had a debilitating effect on millions, including me, however, I’m sixty five, have arthritis, an enlarged prostate, a back injury, some undiagnosed liver or kidney problem, undiagnosed chest / throat problems, some minor neurological problem that gives me numbness and tingling in the little and ring fingers in both hands and other problems about which the NHS is inclined to do bugger all. I’m not jabbed and have never had a test. I don’t wear a mask unless I think the shop staff are going to make a fuss, I don’t bother about keeping my distance from others, I hug and shake hands and I’m not soiling my nappy at the thought that I could be killed by an inattentive HGV driver, a falling satellite, a badly wired… Read more »

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago

I think all the ‘permanently’ proponents can safely be diagnosed as having a permanent mental health problem.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

When such a significant proportion of the population exhibit such raw and stunning stupidity, democratic civilisation is doomed.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

I am of that opinion since encountering the first teenage Millennials.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

The majority of people have always been stunningly stupid. If democracy ‘worked’ before Covid, it was because the gibberings of the stunningly stupid were largely ignored.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Hopefully yes. Imagine a world without idiots. Oh bliss.

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HeresJohnny
HeresJohnny
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

I think it goes way deeper than that.
The old saying that the majority of people are idiots has been irrevocably confirmed over the course of this shitshow.
We are surrounded by imbeciles, morons and idiots – some of them are our families.
Rats or feral pidgeons have more sense of self-preservation than our virtuous, shallow members of this so called “society”.

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  HeresJohnny

The trouble is, social media amplifies the problem as the bedwetters set each other off on an endless trajectory of panicking unnecessarily,

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

The biggest problem I’ve had in understanding the bogus Covid hocus pocus is whether those of us who are refusing the jabs are Orwell’s IngSoc party members or his living-on-the-fringes outcast proles.

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annicx
annicx
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

Indeed- I don’t ‘do’ Facebook or Twitter and most of my close fiends are the same so our views are invisible to those who live on social media.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  HeresJohnny

It’s nature’s way. We’ve lifted ourselves above the basic threats to survival so another evolutionary mechanism is required and nature has the solution: suicidal stupidity. The idiots have the jabs and the jabs take out the stupid, just as vaccines take out the very old, the terminally ill and the constitutionally weak.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  William Gruff

PS: ‘just as vaccines take out the very old … ‘ should have read: just as viruses …

Last edited 4 years ago by William Gruff
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HeresJohnny
HeresJohnny
4 years ago
Reply to  William Gruff

I like your take on this. Looking back, worrying about survival, providing for yourself and yours, feathering the nest – those were the focal points of humanity. These days – worrying about correct pronouns.
Fuck them. We cannot do the thinking for them, they’ve already given the task to the state.

Last edited 4 years ago by HeresJohnny
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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

That was the objective of SPI-B – the induction of mental illness.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago

““Do some people struggle to differentiate how they feel now from how they’ll feel once covid is gone?” I suspect some people struggle to realise there are different positions to differentiate!

Some academics have argued that humans only because truly self conscious around the time of the early Greeks. Personally, I suspect a lot of people still have not.

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TheBluePill
TheBluePill
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Sadly, I think your last statement is close to the mark. They are not conscious higher entities, they are just husks, running on survival algorithms and no more advanced than your average alley-cat.

Last edited 4 years ago by TheBluePill
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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Top Cat begs to differ …..

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

What about “Brain”?

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Some academics have argued that humans became unconscious sometime around the time that the company “Nokia” shot to stardom.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

I used to think that the susceptibility to utter bollocks (in the form of propaganda) of the German population in the 1930s was an anomalous combination of circumstances.

We see now that it wasn’t – evil lies in a much wider bovine compliance that can be easily induced.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

had to red it twice but well put

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

It’s the perpetual human condition, we were wrong to ignore those who warned us throughout history.

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Silke David
Silke David
4 years ago

I guess those who want permanent restrictions should just brick up their doors and do us all favour and never go out, they probably never do anyway.

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BoycottEuropeanEmpire
BoycottEuropeanEmpire
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

That’s the thing though – they do. In their own cars, taxis, private jets, to second homes, birthday parties (a certain Sky ‘presenter’) etc.

They have insulated incomes, lots of private space, company at home and substantial savings. Tight restrictions barely affect their quality of life at all.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

For the love of God, Montresor …… do it!

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BoycottEuropeanEmpire
BoycottEuropeanEmpire
4 years ago

Disturbing and depressing.

Of course, many of these people are well-off, have a decent amount of internal space at home and often also a garden, don’t live alone and have a job that is largely unaffected by restrictions.

What’s that expression again?

‘I’m all right, Jack!’

Last edited 4 years ago by BoycottEuropeanEmpire
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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  BoycottEuropeanEmpire

If anything proves party politics is dead it’s this. I thought that mind set was supposed to be Tory? I bet they aren’t Tories…

Last edited 4 years ago by Noumenon
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annicx
annicx
4 years ago
Reply to  BoycottEuropeanEmpire

Definitely. My sister in law admitted this without realising when the ‘delay’ was announced, saying that it was the right thing to do and she could still go out for tea, shopping, visits and so on. I have to admit I nearly lost it with her- pointing out that there are people living in bedsits in big cities or business owners that may have used the last of their cash reserves preparing for ‘freedom day’ that could well be feeling suicidal right now, but apparently it won’t hurt them to wait a few weeks…

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago

What kind of nation have we become?

A nation of bedwetters!

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

I thought the B-word was banned here?

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HeresJohnny
HeresJohnny
4 years ago
Reply to  William Gruff

Blundering bedwetters bedazzled by bastards.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  HeresJohnny

Bullshitting bloated bastards?

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Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago

The waitress at the pub at which we have just eaten says that she will continue to wear a mask even if restrictions are lifted as she just feels safer with one on. She knows three people with ”long Covid” and is terrified of catching it herself. I can sympathise with her because she is on her own and there is no one to look after her if she is ill, but she would be in the same situation if she had flu or glandular fever or a whole host of other diseases or infections which could incapacitate her. She is also middle aged, morbidly obese and struggles to breathe in her mask.
I’m not angry with her for BEING frightened but I am furious that she has BEEN frightened deliberately by the PTB.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

When we could all have been frightened into losing weight instead, which at least would have had some benefits.
Sighs, and goes to see if there is a Magnum left.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

And today’s total of deaths with morbid obesity…

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

I think the coming ‘global food crisis’, with panicky reports of ‘supply chain’ shortages and interruptions, rationing to protect our ‘food security’ (Queue, Wait, Eat?), is going to ensure that the war on obesity is waged with vigour. Supermarkets will be converted into distribution centres for prepared (and medicated) ready meals that we can reheat in our low carbon footprint micro ovens.

In five years time the streets will be clogged with hordes of shuffling zombies whose folds of loose skin are decorated with dead flat, intensely coloured tattoos rather like the designs on deflated balloons.

Last edited 4 years ago by William Gruff
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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Masks have never been effective inbound. Even the fanatics don’t claim that.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Ordinary people think they are though

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annicx
annicx
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

They do- ‘small price to pay if it keeps us alive!’ was one comment I heard just after the mandate was introduced. ‘How?’ I asked, while trying to hide my incredulity. ‘They must help block the virus’ was the reply. How can you argue with that? The bloke in question was sat in a cafe waiting for his coffee, took his mask off to drink it, then put it back on again, safe in the belief that what he had just done would keep him safe from Covid.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  annicx

Ideology/Quasi-religion.

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Tillysmum
Tillysmum
4 years ago
Reply to  annicx

The bloke in question was sitting in a cafe. Present tense. Please.

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Sceptic down south
Sceptic down south
4 years ago
Reply to  Tillysmum

Tilly dear,

Tell your mother that that was the imperfect….

🙂

Last edited 4 years ago by Sceptic down south
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stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Morbidly obese?

So she’s a fucking idiot who is incapable of making good life choices as she eats herself to early grave and wears a mask between bites.

Good riddance.

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Jon Mors
Jon Mors
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

Dear Leader’s hero is Churchill, as we all know. Churchill inspired courage when there was reason to feel fear; Johnson inspired fear when there was reason to hope*

*really this should be ‘when there was no reason to feel fear’, but that doesn’t sound as good.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  Jon Mors

Churchill was a war criminal and a traitor. History will not look kindly upon him.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  William Gruff

Traitor?

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Norman
Norman
4 years ago

Just goes to show how many people have fallen for government lies about Covid.

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bluemonkey
bluemonkey
4 years ago

More bullshit polling

The poll suggesting a high percentage of Brits want restrictions to stay is more indicative of what the government want to happen as the poll is fabricated propaganda,

Last edited 4 years ago by bluemonkey
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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
4 years ago
Reply to  bluemonkey

there is a scary number of people who are completely under the covid propaganda spell

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  bluemonkey

It’s circular though – people want it because the government has spent 18 months (and a fortune) scaring them shitless. The government can now claim that it’s what people want, and carry on with it. The only thing which may end this destructive spiral is a big financial shock – which surely is coming.

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bluemonkey
bluemonkey
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

The polling questions are often loaded. Something to the effect of “would you want continued restrictions if it saves lives and prevents the NHS from being overwhelmed?” I think these pollsters should reveal the questions they ask.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  bluemonkey

Dream on. The compliance level is massive.

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Attaboy
Attaboy
4 years ago

some people see their online businesses booming, why would they want to go back?

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Attaboy

It’s mainly the big players – especially Amazon – who have done well out of this.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  Attaboy

What use is a booming business if you can’t enjoy the benefits and get on with living your life?

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Noumenon
Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

You think Jeff Bezos is affected by this?

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tom171uk
tom171uk
4 years ago

Not surprising really. You have to wonder how they phrased the questions and how they selected the respondents; but in any case the figures show that a majority do not support the restrictions.

Last edited 4 years ago by tom171uk
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helenf
helenf
4 years ago

A government poll has shown that 110% of the population trust government polls.

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yohodi
yohodi
4 years ago

This whole sorry hysterical episode in our history has alway been about deceit and upwardly manipulating the numbers, big numbers hold the headlines and capture the attention. I know of no-one who actively wants this to continue….Methinks tis all a big fat fib.

Last edited 4 years ago by yohodi
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vlysander
vlysander
4 years ago

So many living in an illusion. The only pandemic is on TV…the real world is continuing as usual.
This whole “freedom day” makes you laugh when you consider everything is open, everyone is socialising, working and travelling and no one is dropping dead in the streets.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  vlysander

So long as you don’t watch the news, the pandemic isn’t on TV. How many programmes/ads do you see that feature the muzzled, shackled, covid world? Particularly the ads. The advertisers know that covid hysteria doesn’t sell.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Although I dwell on the pessimistic side, having recently sampled a lot of motorway services on the run north from Bristol to Yorkshire (I pee a lot), I do note that face masks in advertisements seem to be getting rarer. A sign?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I’ve noticed that too. I think advertisers instinctively prefer to show faces. The human social instinct is strong and I think will win in the end.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Would you buy a used car from a masked man, or woman?

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Susan
Susan
4 years ago

FAKE NEWS!

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1984imminent
1984imminent
4 years ago
Reply to  Susan

I’m seeing more and more bare faces on the London Underground. I am rarely (if ever) challenged when I take my bare face into a shop, bank or place of worship. There is hope.

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helenf
helenf
4 years ago
Reply to  1984imminent

Since the beginning of the mask mandate and up until recently, I’ve been too cowardly to go into shops, pubs etc without my lanyard on (I don’t like confrontation). I have hated every minute of being in those places, and just avoided going in shops as much as possible. On the original freedom day, after some encouragement from reading BTL comments on this site, I decided to cast off the lanyard and embrace the old normal, and I haven’t looked back since. Never once stopped or questioned, and I’ve found a new confidence, exhilaration even just going round the supermarket. I smile to myself and others. I like to think there are masked people looking at me with curiosity and envy, thinking “I remember what that was like in the old normal, could I get away with that myself”? We can and do influence people so keep it up, my friends!

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

The lanyard is a contemporary form of yellow star or pink triangle.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  1984imminent

My local fish shop insists on a mask so I comply, although I do make throw-away remarks about how silly they are because they don’t work, are a health hazard themselves, a future environmental problem &c &c &c. However, I don’t bother elsewhere and even the otherwise unemployable goons in hi-vis at the supermarket seem to have tired of making a fuss.

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sjonesy1999
sjonesy1999
4 years ago

I bet IKEA are doing a roaring trade in tables for these types to hide under.

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