We haven’t seen the end of plans for the introduction of Covid vaccine passports, according to the Times. Its splash today says that “Covid certificates” will be needed to enter bars, restaurants and nightclubs under plans to combat a “fourth wave”, though the actual reason – as before, and as in Israel – is to push young people to take the vaccine, following a fall in take-up in this age group.
Entertainment venues in England would be forced to make customers use so-called vaccination passports from autumn, to prove that they had either had both doses or a negative test the day before. Recent figures have shown a reduction in the take-up of vaccines with first doses halving in two weeks. Fewer than 100,000 a day are being given out on average for the first time since April.
Unvaccinated young people are believed to be behind a rise in cases. One in 160 people in England were thought to have the coronavirus after a 58% rise over seven days, according to the Office for National Statistics. It estimates that 332,900 people had the virus in the week ending July 3rd, similar to levels in mid-October, with cases more than ten times higher in those aged 16-24 than the over-70s. …
Government sources said it had been decided not to force Covid certificates to be used as part of the easing of restrictions this month because it would discriminate against younger people who had not had their second jab.
There were also concerns it could have hit the so-called “spontaneous economy” with people being turned away from businesses because they could not prove a negative test result.
However, by mid-September ministers say all over-18s will have had the chance to have both jabs and officials believe that vaccination passports could be mandated for use in premises where social distancing is not possible.
“In autumn vaccine passports could become an important tool that will allow us to keep things open,” a Downing Street source said.
Another Government figure added: “If we can show real benefits of getting vaccinated in terms of everyday life then it could be quite a useful tool.”
While more than 95% of the over-50s have been vaccinated, the rate is 76% in those aged 30-34 and is now plateauing. So far 58% of those aged 18 to 24 have had a first jab.
Helen Stokes-Lampard, Head of the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges, said that dropping the requirement to quarantine for the fully vaccinated could also be a “very helpful incentive” for young people but urged the Government to “redouble efforts” to ensure they accepted the jab. But in a blunt warning she said that it was “unhelpful and potentially dangerous” to think of life returning to normal this month and people should continue to be cautious about socialising.
“July 19th should not be regarded as Freedom Day,” Stokes-Lampard said. “From a medical perspective, it shocks me to think that all restrictions would suddenly be dropped. We are in the middle of a dangerous third wave.”
She said that continuing to wear masks indoors was an “obvious one” in terms of tackling the spread.
Chris Whitty, the Chief Medical Officer for England, is also understood to be concerned that people will give up infection prevention measures once restrictions are lifted.
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All science and all common sense says don’t vaccinate the young and healthy. This is criminal.
All of it is criminal. We are now entering the depopulation phase and the vaccines are their chosen weapon.
Oh well, at least there will be more room for the rest of us, albeit as civilisation collapses around us.
I doubt they will let the unvaxxed escape their evil attentions, but refusing their toxic needle is the only sensible option.
What happens in America normally makes its way over here, and with their campaign of knocking on doors to pester you to get ‘vaxxed’, the next step could be very unpleasant.
Reminds me of the TV licence goons and how they will prosecute you if they find evidence that you have live-TV receiving equipment without a licence.
The upcoming London protests need to make a statement to the government, they need to vociferous and powerful.
Not at all. I am so looking forward to someone knocking on the door in this quest.
Or indeed in quest of BBC use. Longing to meet them.
Get the oil boiling.
I have ‘live-TV receiving equipment’ without a licence. Its called a tv. It is only illegal to not have a licence if you use it to receive live broadcasts. Its not illegal to have no licence and own a tv.
Just let them knock on my door. Just let them.
I will be at them — Travelling across the Atlantic to go to the next one — These monsters should be individually sued —
The USA has been open for months quite successfully. There has been a massive pushback on experimental biologicals primarily by the young.
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Here’s the thing. These policies are not seen by people who have not vaccinated as ‘incentives’. Who thinks these things are incentives when they could do these things over two years ago? The unvaccinated are not stupid, they understand the risks and benefits and want to be free to make choices without being coerced. Rather, they are seen as a form of state control and coercion, and are likely to put the very communities targeted by this off vaccinating. This isn’t just speculation: “The potential impact of vaccine passports on inclination to accept COVID-19 vaccines” is a paper I’ve recently authored and has undergone peer-review and is likely going to be accepted at EClinicalMedicine (link below). We need to stop this utter madness. If you want to increase vaccination among the young (a dubious policy anyhow since the risk-benefit trade off is not clear) perhaps try carrot rather than stick approaches. You do not want to do things that could lead to younger groups being put off other routine healthcare via a loss of trust. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258122v1 Disclaimer: I work at the Vaccine Confidence Project, and while I’m pro-vaccination. When the risk-benefit tradeoffs are not clear, and individuals who want long-term… Read more »
The vaccines are intentionally dangerous and young people clearly have nothing to gain and also more to lose than the very old and morbidly ill. We don’t need carrots as enablers for genocide/democide.
Yep. It seems that there’s no such thing as informed consent these days.
Those properly informed about these “vaccines” would not ever give their consent.
That so many have already rolled up their sleeves is ample testament to their gullibility, laziness, and overall stupidity.
Those allowing their children to be injected with these toxic biological agents will have failed woefully in the role of parent or guardian and at some point in time they will have to account for their criminal negligence.
And, in fairness, to the massive misinformation campaign from the government, and the abuse of the trust which many people have in the medical profession.
And, in fairness, to the massive misinformation campaign from the government, and the abuse of the trust which many people have in the medical profession.
Of course, there is 24/7 propaganda, but I do not see that as reason to trust government, in fact the reverse applies. Politicians are inveterate liars and those that make it to government level are invariably the most dishonest of them all. Why on earth would anyone trust the likes of Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson with their health?
“Overall stupidity” How tempting to agree, alas as a student of psychology, I have to disagree. I have posted my theory somewhere before, though I am going to post it again. I honestly think the measurement of intelligence, IQ, is not relevant in determining if you are likely to be on the Covid train, or a sceptic. I honestly think personality type will determine how you view Covid and the governments insane response. Carl Jung did a lot of work on personality type, and an established test came out of his work that allocates people into certain categories. It’s called the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. There are several categories that people fall into, and I believe 2 of these categories shape your view on Covid/lockdowns. The first is Intuition versus Sensing. My anecdotal evidence suggests that people who score high in Intuition tend to be sceptical, and people who score high in Sensing tend to be on the Covid train. A second category is Thinking versus Feeling. With thinkers being the sceptics, and Feelers being on board. If you combine the 2, then Intuitive Thinkers tend to be very sceptical, and Sensing Feelers are probably the Covid Nazis. With everybody else… Read more »
Great post thanks for sharing. I have observed that scepticism has nothing to do with intelligence, and put it down to you can either smell the sh;t or you can’t. However your theory is much more compelling! Am off to see where I land…
Good luck. I hope to add you into my anecdotal evidence which stands at around 50 people at present, with a 90% correlation.
Interesting test. I come put as INTJ. Distinct introversion and moderate preferences for the rest.
That’s the same as me. INTJ. Though I am high in Intuition and Introvert. Moderate for Thinking and Judgement.
Thanks for posting 🙂
Another INTJ here (though only mildly I). Makes sense to me.
Wow, another INTJ hey? We are supposed to only make up 3% of the population, and yet we seem to be heavily represented here… 😉
Thanks for posting 🙂
I largely go along with your point and would suggest that the instinctive ability to smell shit is a form of innate intelligence. This ability usually comes with experience, though some will learn to smell shit, like the huge stinking steaming heap of Covid excrement, much quicker than others. However, as demonstrated over the past year or so, most will never develop this important and very possibly life saving trait.
You could call this ‘instinctive ability’ intuition… 😀
I often do.
Partly. But you can overlay this with other factors.
Probably 20% of the population are ‘closet nazis’ anyway. The ‘woke’ are far more likely to support the ‘feeling’ , but are not necessarily not intuitive thinkers. Its a strange coincidence, I put it no stronger than that, that many more bexiteers than remainers are anti-vax/lockdowns. There is a swathe of the population in the middle classes that enjoys working from home. There is a swathe of upper working/lower middle class that like getting paid for sitting on the arses.
The evil brilliance of the psyop has been appealing to all these types at the same time. Drawing on several decades of societal changes and developments they have created the ‘reset’. ‘Great’ it is not of course, except for a very few and the ones receiving crumbs off their tables.
Of course there are other factors. I never said this is a hard and fast rule. Though I believe there will be large overlaps with personality type and political persuasion too.
I don’t think it is a class issue either. The majority are on board, mainly due to lacking the balanced information to make an informed decision.
I was just trying to highlight that there doesn’t seem to be anything obvious that equates to people being sceptic. Especially IQ. Social class, profession, gender, nationality, sexuality, us sceptics maybe small in number, but we are drawn far and wide across society. With different beliefs on what is really happening, as we are so desperate to make sense of the senseless. I will contend though, most of us will be Intuitive Thinkers. Happy to be proved wrong though 😉
Don’t be defensive, I didn’t say or infer you were wrong, I just think Myers-Briggs is limited and there are and will be other factors at play.
For instance I think some of the most evil geniuses in history have been intuitive thinkers, its likely our present bunch have their fair share as well.
I didn’t think I was being defensive lol. Apologies if I came across that way. And I agree with your last post 🙂
You could be right. My other half and I voted to Leave, as did my son, and we are all massively sceptical. Having said that, I am the only one still unjabbed; the other two having had a first shot ( but dubious about having any more).
Meanwhile my parents voted Remain and are fanatical Covid Believers, hanging on every word that comes from the Government and BBC.
Interesting. My brother is massively on board the Covid train. And he is the only one in my family who voted remain. Myself, my wife, my mother and my sister all voted Leave. And we are all Covid sceptics. The only anomaly is my father. A massive Brexiteer, yet well on board the covid train and had his first jab. Though after the rest of us showed him the safety data on these ‘vaccines’ he stopped short of getting the second jab. It didn’t stop my brother though, who thinks we are all mental lol.
Likely, but early experience of defective authority, or early training to evaluate authority, not trust it blindly, would also have an impact.
Absolutely! Though personality type does give an inbuilt reaction to authority anyways. For example, my personality type respects competence. And if an authority is incompetent, I won’t respect it. And if said authority is behaving the opposite to it’s mandate, I will be hostile to it.
We are so alike!!!
I can see where you are coming from, but IQ levels, are a bit of a red herring and are only one very narrow measure of a person’s nouse and so I would maintain that a high IQ doesn’t preclude above average levels of gullibility, laziness or even stupidity. I would also suggest that recent events have amply demonstrated my point.
I think we agree.
I think we do.
ESTP, done with an official one at work. It was scarily accurate
Thank you too. So you scored in the Sensing, with Thinking. Interesting. Appreciate it.
And yes, everyone who I know has taken it is fairly stunned at how accurately it describes them.
ENTJ. Again, scarily accurate. I’m retired but it even was exactly correct about my career in management and engineering background. Very interesting. Thanks for posting.
Thank you for taking the test and posting your result 🙂
I’m a strongly indicated ISTJ. You can up your correlation by one more.
I’m a strongly indicated ISTJ (workplace assessment). You can +1 to your correlation stats.
I reached the same conclusion a while ago. The fear-propaganda has been used to target the most susceptible section of the population (those driven by emotion/feelings) and they have done their level best to silence and isolate the “thinking” fact-driven section.
Thank you for posting your result 🙂
Very interesting! INFJ high on I!!
Intuition strikes again! Thank you for posting your result 🙂
Phew was worried I might belong on the train because of the Feeling part!!
You have Judgement too. The correlation was less with that, but still a majority.
INTJ 50%,6%,38%,25%
Another INTJ, thank you good sir 🙂
Add another INTJ, other half has taken the test. It is scarily accurate, he is an engineer and was born a sceptic!!
Thank you for sharing his result too! And an INTJ being an engineer… 😉 Suits his traits very well 😀
INTP
Scores: 9, 27,51,11
Intuitive Thinker 🙂
Thank you for posting.
Interesting… I came out as INFJ
Intuition and Judging…interesting. Thanks for posting your result 🙂
Strongly ESTJ (63%). I’m 72 yrs young and declined to experimented upon.
I concur with your judgement on this ‘vaccine’ roll-out is an experiment. Though we are both categorised with Judgement on this test.
Actually, I am seeing a high number of people allocated as high ‘Judgement’ posting on this thread. Seems I may have to reconsider the qualities that can lead to someone being a sceptic 🙂
So for anyone still reading this, we have 10 readers of this forum who took the test and posted their results.
Intuition scored at 80%
Thinking scored at 80%
The surprise was Judging. That weighed in at 90%.
Obviously we all judge this government response very poorly indeed 😉
Thanks for those who took part. Makes for interesting results 🙂
I am also INTJ distinct introversion moderate intuition and thinking and slight judging. Interesting test and quite accurate!
Interesting, I used to be ENFP, now I am INFP, weak on the introversion and strong on the perceiving
ENFP for me. Presume it’s the perception part that helped me smell the whiff of shite.
PS thanks, a good little distraction. I have done this test before on an Interpersonal Skills course years ago. I can’t remember all the result then but do remember not being surprised about the extrovert bit!
Informed Dissent.
I am f.ing sick of supposed ‘sceptics’ here swallowing the government line that the equation for getting vaccinated is essentially different for old farts.
We’ll probably die before any long-term adverse effects crash in – but the ARR is still ~1% and the ethics/consent issues remain monstrous.
… and we can’t get Ivermectin easily to prove the point.
We’ll probably die before any long-term adverse effects crash in.
Generally agree with you, except for the above. They want rid of the great mass of the global population in fairly short order and before 2030 in any event.
The Deagel prediction from a few years ago had the UK population at 15 million in 2025, I believe?
Could be about right then, but probably far too high for 2030.
You’re determined to push the depopulation theory as though it is factual, which is fine because you’re entitled to your opinion.
But who are “they”?
Let’s start with a simple one – Big Pharma. They’re the ones making the vaccines and if the vaccines lead to the level of depopulation you’ve asserted, that will also mean the end of Big Pharma.
So are Big Pharma involved in the conspiracy or not?
I do not buy a general aim to depopulate, as you point out the economics don’t make sense. However I do think there are two main forces at work here ( plus loads of opportunistic subsidiary ones). There are those who believe that some reduction in global human numbers is required to ‘save the planet’. This is brought about by lowering the living standards of the western world and not allowing the vast majority of the developing world to be able to use fossil-fueled energy to raise theirs. ( plus changing agriculture, animal husbandry, eating habits etc). There are those in silicon valley who want to disrupt and change society to allow them and their AI to control most processes. So they want for instance to build on the changes in medical interaction introduced with covid to have AI conduct and manage all human medical interventions. They want to replicate this in every human interaction and endevour. they want to be the global emperers. These two forces are combining resources and buying off all opposition and governments. They already control the media, academia and education. If most resource guzzling elderly people should die quickly, if that also extends to most… Read more »
‘They’ are the people genuinely in charge – and they’ll be quite happy with a population of a billion (or less). They’ll still be in charge and still be as rich as Croesus – but it will be much easier to control the population and resources will last far longer, which will benefit their descendants.
Yes. Many of us parroted that early on to show “not a conspiracy theorist”. We were wrong.
Are you Alexandre de Figueiredo of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine?
Tis I.
Interesting! Didn’t meant to invade your privacy, shall I delete that comment? Do you mind if I ask you some questions? Are you worried that your stance might cause you some trouble at work?
No that’s fine. I’m pretty open and happy to answer questions. (My work e-mail is on the paper I linked above, so you could e-mail me at that address if you wanted to take it off the forum).
Do you think that some fraction of your colleagues feel the same but are afraid to speak up?
The same about what? I wouldn’t like to speculate on my colleagues’ views too much: I think it would be uncontroversial to say that we are all pro-vaccination, though.
From a personal perspective (which all my comments in this forum are), I’m against mandating or coercing vaccines from both a practical and ethical point of view. And I would probably not be the only one to think this. Some colleagues, for example, have recently published a pre-print on how healthcare workers feeling pressured to vaccinate may make them less inclined to take the vaccine. [https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.23.21255971v1]
On the COVID-19 vaccine and younger people, I do think as evidence comes out suggesting that the vaccine does not prevent transmission as much as we would like, then this does alter the risk-benefit trade off. And penalising young people further after they’ve borne such an enormous brunt of lockdowns (very little benefit to themselves but tremendous costs), we should not be seeking to coerce them to do anything!
As you are a pro-vaxxer, my question to you would be: can it ever be practical, ethical or logical to conclude that mass vaccination is the right solution for a virus that has an IFR of 0.05% for those under 70 and 0.23% for all age groups?
What about the evidence coming out of harm and death? Is your only ethical argument with coercion and the ineffective prevention of transmission?
Thanks for answering.
Are you bothered by the absence of a well-designed long-covid study?
This seems to be the last refuge of the drive to vaccinate children.
I agree it’s not fair to ask about your colleagues – my bad. How would you generally characterise the UK academic scientific community’s views on the US’s reopening? Do you think that it’s inadvisable, personally?
As for your fears about what might happen to vaccines going forward, I completely agree. Like the majority of sceptics that I know, I’m personally pro-vaccine and my kids are fully vaccinated, never really gave it a thought but *now* I look at the hard-core anti-vaxers and I can’t say I think they’re total crackpots anymore. Not by a long-shot.
I had an interesting conversation with my GP about giving my kids the chicken pox vaccine (one was born in the US where it’s given as a matter of course). The GP said something like: CP is a pretty low risk disease for kids and the vaccine is pretty new, so I’d maybe take a pass. I think, IIRC, it was only available privately at the time.
Lol sounds like an online game of Guess Who 😊
Your findings make sense to me.
Public Health would label me “vaccine hesitant” which implies that they think that I am open to persuasion or coercion. However, nothing would ever make me take one of these vaccines, no amount of nudging, pushing to the point I would up sticks and move my whole family if need be.
Having never ever questioned the validity of vaccines before, indeed I have paid for my children to have additional vaccines that were not available to them, and I have also taken the winter flu jab, I am now hesitant about and more questioning of Public Health motives in general. I doubt I will ever take another flu jab, and I am seriously considering not consenting to my children having them. I am also much more aware of nudges around me, the road signs that light up with smiling faces when you are doing 30 mph etc.
I keep myself extremely fit, always have, and take umbrage at often times much less healthy individuals telling me what’s best for me and my family….
This is what I’m worried about. There are extremely important vaccines for children and there will no doubt be outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases among children / young people in the upcoming years, perhaps worsened due to many parents not knowing these vaccination services were still open during lockdown.
If we enact policies that start or build more distrust among people responsible for vaccinating children (as you are experiencing) we may actually make things worse for far more important vaccines.
But I do not think the state has any business mandating/coercing healthcare from a ethical point of view anyway. But added to that is the damage these policies might cause.
Indeed. Trust once lost is very hard to rebuild.
And the widespread current authoritarian response of censorship and bullying is probably counterproductive.
Until the mass Covid-19 vaccine programme began, I (presumably like many others here) would have regarded myself as reasonably ‘pro-vaccination’. I was born in the tropics so have had all manner of vaccinations and my wife and I have never hesitated to get the appropriate standard vaccinations for our young children either. However, the level of dishonesty, coercion and recklessness with which this vaccine is being rolled out, and the associated censorship of entirely legitimate and evidence-based dissent, means that I will question every aspect of what the medical establishment recommends in future.
Ditto!
Ditto ditto.
Same 100%, tropics etc. Even gave my kids the chicken pox vaccine few years back. Saw a comment above about it being newish. Didn’t know that before and if I were to make the decision in today’s environment I’d give it a miss. I simply have zero trust in the NHS and the government. They absolutely do not deserve it. I expect I’ll eventually be coerced into taking it due to work (although WFH very feasible, I’ve not been in the office for 16 months now) and both my wife and I have elderly family abroad. But if these people (the sheep and the wolves) ever expect me to be their friend then they are deluded. TBH, if the vaccines turn out to have massive side effects over the next year or so I expect I’ll allow myself a few hours of schadenfreude. Vaccination passports – well, even if I got vaccinated I wouldn’t use the passport, so doesn’t work as an incentive for me. I simply refuse to carry around a gadget that allows the government to track me. I don’t socialise much (never have) and am an excellent cook with an extensive wine cellar so pub/restaurant – whatever.… Read more »
I sincerely hope your work gains traction. I get the distinct impression however that there is an inordinate amount of navel gazing going on within Public Health, Government etc in respect of covid and the vaccines. They have lost all perspective, and have become quite entrenched in their narrow focus. I refuse to be swept along with this hell bent scheme to get everyone vaccinated. I have bodily autonomy, there are laws and rights which I believe we undermine at our peril, this goes way beyond vaccine denial, it goes to the very heart of how we behave as a society and what we believe democracy is for. This is a defining time for democracy, individual freedoms, rights, what the relationship between the state and the individual should be. We need to be having these conversations in an open, honest, level headed way. However censorship, fear, manipulation of data, pitting off one group against another has left this an almost impossible feat. I have lost friends, I have seen families break down over the last 15 months because of differing views on lockdowns and vaccines. Vaccine passports will drive the biggest wedge into society that I have seen in my… Read more »
The risk/benefit trade off for vaccination of the young is abundantly clear. The absolute best it can be – and this is in a scenario where the vaccines are 100% safe and 100% effective – is zero, given that this is the risk Covid poses to the under twenties.
Hard to produce any meaningful risk assessment for new, still experimental treatments, when the long term consequences are inherently unknown.
That’s true for any new kind of treatment of course, by definition, but the answer is to take your time authorising them and never do so initially on a mass basis. That basic piece of reason was overruled in this case by the false claim of an “emergency”.
(But I agree, when the risk being vaccinated against is close to zero, it doesn’t really matter much what the downside risks are anyway. The balance is going to be close to zero or negative anyway – that’s simple maths – and a policy should require a significant positive balance to be enacted.)
There are benefits, though I do take your points, that the equation is not as clear. For example, if you were young and lived with a vulnerable person, then you being vaccinated definitely further decreases the probability that you would transmit the virus to a vulnerable person. This would be a benefit to those you love and not you directly, though even under 20-30s are at risk (albeit small) of hospitalisation/death, increased further if they have certain underlying conditions. Once the effects of ‘long-COVID’ become clearer, this might also alter the situation further.
What about treatments other than vaccines? No one is allowed to mention the prophylactic benefits of Ivermectin. Why could said young person not take a course of Ivermectin to keep themselves and their vulnerable loves one safe?
“if you were young and lived with a vulnerable person, then you being vaccinated definitely further decreases the probability that you would transmit the virus to a vulnerable person.”
Even if you can refer to some dodgy research to support this theory, you cannot possibly know this empirically. For example, a vaxxed young person might wrongly assume that they can’t be infected and behave in a way that increases the risk of the virus transmitting compared to an unvaxxed person.
Either way, if they’re asymptomatic the chances of them transmitting it are tiny so the overall effect is minimal.
And the argument could quite easily be changed to say:
“if you are young with virtually zero chance of being seriously affected by Covid , then you being vaccinated definitely increases the probability that you will suffer an adverse reaction, some of which could be serious or in extreme cases lead to death.”
Quite correct. I was willing to give afig the benefit of the doubt until he posted that.
Just the same as the rest, doesn’t really represent the truth.
Some nice words though, shame they don’t mean anything.
Perhaps is a new ploy by the 77th?
He obviously doesn’t give a fig.
Some much needed humour Susan – nice one! I’m surprised you haven’t got any thumbs up (other than mine) for this!
Don’t forget this post from fromrome.info – Psyop tactics being used by the Globalists to sustain their narrative https://www.fromrome.info/2021/07/07/psyop-tactics-being-used-by-the-globalists-to-sustain-their-narrative/ Agenda for Globalist Pysop program So for all these reasons, the Globalist psyop has a lot to do to maintain the narrative. Their first target is to attack the experts who are talking. Their second target is to censor all social media. Their third target is to pull the plug on the most influential websites if they can. Their fourth target is to attack the credibility of websites which begin to have an influential role in disseminating any of the above information or sites. And this is the only reason, I believe, that I have seen several new kinds of trolls here at FromRome.Info in just the last 2 weeks. And these trolls, have exhibited the following tactical methods: Feigning an email of an expert and demanding a news story be removed from this website. Claiming a news story is unreliable or false and demanding it be removed. Claiming that part of a story is false or one of the speakers is unreliable. Claiming that a speaker does not have the credentials claimed. Praising part of a news story but calumniating… Read more »
That’s a bit unfair I would say. Although I take issue with the ‘definitely’, the amount by which the probability COULD feasibly be reduced, but most likely by a trivial amount. For example, being vaccinated could reduce the likelihood of you being minorly symptomatic, and so reduce the risk of you passing it on. (I didn’t like the reference to “long covid” though, which reminds me of myself saying ‘I’m ill’ when I have to take the day off work due to a hangover.)
For me, the bottom line is that this disease simply isn’t very dangerous. We don’t need a vaccine. Almost nobody does. Certainly nobody under the age of 60 who is in general good health does. I’m not against vaccines, but we just don’t need it. Of course, this is where many people (just-retired tories in the shires, worried that they might not be able to get that birdie prior to death) will disagree. I hate to be that guy but, really, it pisses me off that we have to endure all this evil, illiberal bullshit, to increase the average lifespan of some boomers by some infinitesimal amount.
How does the vaccine stop transmission? The manufacturers don’t make that claim, but merely state that the jabs mitigate the effects of the virus for those who are infected.
Yeah, it’s a “this will take the guilt off the table” drug in that sense, if that vulnerable person ever died of the Covid-19. For, the denial that vaccinated can’t spread would be baked in.
However, the data is moving in one direction only. Vaccinated can spread and may even be the osource of the variants as speculated on here way back when the trials started and we have variants of concern only in countries taking part (Brazil, USA, South Africa, GB).
So if they can spread it, it’s got to be quantified if there is a substantial difference to that risk of you remain unvaccinated. We don’t know that number as far as I’m aware.
The core beliefs right now are:
1. Vaccines for Covid make 95% of people immune.
2. Vaccination reduces spread.
Neither of those are looking even remotely true.
So where do we go with that info?
So the paper you linked to (and claim to have co-written although that could be bogus but I’ll run with it) is funded by Merck. An interesting development has come to light in this bombshell interview which blows the whole narrative out of the water because the evidence of criminality and fraud presented here is so strong it is now a question of when this criminal operation comes to an end.
49 mins:
Dr David Martin: “The script for this was written first January 6th 2004”
Dr Reiner Fuellmich: “January 6th 2004? Who wrote the script?”
Dr David Martin: “Merck. At a conference called SARS and Bio Terrorism”
Dr David Martin | Dr Reiner Fuellmich – July 9, 2021
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-david-martin-dr-reiner-fuellmich-july-9-2021_RlmKScwsMf6ATEG.html
Criminal scum
Your paper opens up by saying the vaccines are approved for use in the UK but does not specify that this is only for Emergency Use. This crucial omission of facts is yet more evidence of the dishonesty and propensity of the “science” community to automatically cover up the truth and lie for your masters who line your pockets with money. This is the a big reason why those of us who still use our brains have no faith in you people at all – YOU ARE A BUNCH OF LIARS WHO ARE INCAPABLE OF SPEAKING THE TRUTH. You are on a par with/lower than double glazing salesmen – and I’ve met my fair share of double glazing salesmen, but I don’t think any of them were so low that they would happily profit from products that kill their customers or maim them, just to get a sale. The medical profession is full of such lowlifes. Your paper also works on the assumption that lower vaccine uptake is somehow a bad thing. It isn’t – it’s a good thing. Every one of the people who takes this experimental shite is a guinea pig and the outlook for their health is… Read more »
Most patients are clotting after vaccination following D-Dimer tests:
Dr Charles Hoffe – Majority Of Tested Patients Have Clotting After ‘Vaccine’
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GBIS2B5bCqdm/
D4CE Doctors and scientists explain how the COVID-19 response is out of step with medicine and science
https://tube.doctors4covidethics.org/videos/watch/3e601d92-dd72-4d42-85e0-05265f2a4250
Referred to by Bhakdi in his excellent presentation:
SARS-CoV-2 elicits robust adaptive immune responses regardless of disease severity
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352396421002036.
Circulating SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Antigen Detected in the Plasma of mRNA-1273 Vaccine Recipients
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab465/6279075
SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination induces functionally diverse antibodies to NTD, RBD, and S2
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00706-6?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867421007066%3Fshowall%3Dtrue
“Here’s the thing. These policies are not seen by people who have not vaccinated as ‘incentives’. Who thinks these things are incentives when they could do these things over two years ago? The unvaccinated are not stupid, they understand the risks and benefits and want to be free to make choices without being coerced.” Most of the unvaccinated are as you describe here, though I think that applies more to the older age groups. The young may just be apathetic as they don’t feel at risk. But I suspect a lot of the people already vaccinated have done so because they thought they individually and society as a whole would get their freedom back. I think quite a lot of those people are stupid, or have acted stupidly in this case, by succumbing to propaganda, bullying and bribery. International travel, in particular, will have been in people’s minds. I think it’s fanciful to believe that a high percentage of the vaccinated looked at the risk/benefit equation for them, and also considered the lack of long term safety data – I don’t see how they could have done anything else as the necessary accurate information simply doesn’t exist as governments have… Read more »
Yes and I would say one word more than any describes the real reason so many have been vaxxd – GROUPTHINK.
If he’s doing it, I’ll do it. If my boss has done it, I’m doing it. If it’s ok for my Nan, it must be ok for me. If the doctors on TV say it’s good, it must be good. If it’s good enough for me, it’s good enough for my kids. They say it’s safe, so it must be safe.
The government, media and medical profession have cast this spell. The tables are tilted, the deck is loaded, everywhere they look normal folk see only positive reasons to be vaxxd, and the only negatives are coming from the crazy conspiracy theorists they have been braintrained to view as bonkers. It’s two words really – MANUFACTURED GROUPTHINK. Lies have led them to reach these conclusions.
I agree. I’m 100% if I asked my friends and work colleagues who’ve been jabbed that even the brightest of them would have no clue what their personal risk/benefit equation is. Anyone who thinks these decisions are “informed” in any meaningful sense needs their head read.
As someone who was pro-vaccine but hadn’t had time to get it yet, I emaield my doctor to inform them that I’d be refusing vaccination until not only all all covid passport plans scrapped but also a law is passed to give instant jail sentances to any government official who ever proposes such passes. I recommend you email your local surgeries with similar comments, let them know that vax passports will only turn hesitancy in to outright refusal. If everyone making it quite clear to doctors that they’ll refuse the vaccine until the passports plot is dropped doesn’t change the NHS’s mind, and the government’s mind shortly thereafter, then it will have to become a matter of mass civil disobedience. Neil Oliver is quite right, you fight for freedom now, not when the enemy has already implemented their schemes.
“we should not be penalising low-risk groups for not vaccinating”.
We should NOT be penalising ANY groups for not “vaccinating” end of.
MY BODY MY CHOICE
“Pint of Old Peculiar please”, “can I see your papers first…” Sounds great eh?
The People and tyrannical governments are on a collision course.
Yeah, much in the same way as a freight train and a little car stuck across the rail tracks.
We all know how that kind of collision tends to end.
The train derailed killing all aboard, while the car driver made his escape just before impact and survived totally unscathed.
Not worth reading at all. The media are simply taking phrases spoken and reading what they want they want to into them in order to create yet another scare story. One prints it, and it gets copied by others because they cannot becseen to be missing out on a “scoop”.
Today’s appearance of these stories is pure Nudge Unit. They seem to contain nothing substantive new (The Sun version anyway) and nothing to say why it’s emerged now. It’s as if either a) the hacks at last got round to noticing the implications of past statements; or b) Somebody’s told them to ramp up the coercion. Wonder which…
It’s also an indication of the government’s increasing impatience and desperation to get the whole population injected with this experimental shit. How anyone can still trust this bunch of amoral, greedy, power crazed lying c…ts is beyond me. What a brainwashed zombified nation we’ve become. Good job there’s still a lot of us engaging our brains, and I hope more determined than ever to resist the Borg with every u-turn and threat the government make.
Indeed, they’re floating an anonymous balloon so that they can later claim that WuGov supports it, and so they must “reluctantly” go ahead with this thing that they had never countenanced.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see some “official denials” from Wormtongue Gove or whomever the Health Secretary is this week.
Wormtongue. Love it.
We have to show massive opposition to this. They’re floating to get reaction.
Yep exactly, this could be nothing more than another psyop designed to nudge as many young people to be vaxxed now before the flu season starts.
Once we’re back in season, it’s going to be increasingly tricky to justify being vaccinated when those who are “fully protected” start dying again.
It could be an I hope it is a nudge, the other option seems to be digital surveillance under the guise of medical need. 24/7 tracking, social credit, no cash and carbon credits only work if everyone is in the system and/or those that aren’t a made sub-human.
The lying, amoral, truly disgusting tripe that tries to cloak itself as news strikes again!
Another last gasp effort to try and convince people to get the vaccine I think. I’ll worry about it when and if it happens.
I’m not letting these buggers steal another day away from me with what if’s…..
I wish it was a ‘what if’, but this has been planned all along. The vaxports are a mechanism to lock us into perpetual jabs. Perpetual jabs leads to…
…Doctatorship
Very good. Yours or a borrow?
The “story” is pure scaremongering, but that doesn’t mean there’s no reason to fear its speculation. Nudge unit testing the water probably explains its appearance today. The Thunderer eagerly collaborating with Govt Psyops.
Stokes-Lampard is a fucking liar. We may be in the middle of another casedemic, but there is nothing remotely dangerous about it. The hospitalisation and death rates speak for themselves. She’s a disgrace to her profession (like most medics these days, it seems).
July 19th should not be regarded as freedom day
fills me with malice.
Her work focused around women’s health mainly but she was recruited into Matt Hancock’s little project, The National Academy of Social Prescribing, launched at the end of 2019…their “vision” is to “get people to live the best life they can.” She, in the recent past, “has spoken publicly about the adverse impacts of social isolation and loneliness on the health of the population and how it is akin to a long-term chronic condition”…! You read the piece of fluff she co-wrote on the site, all about “the social revolution in well-being” https://socialprescribingacademy.org.uk/launching-our-vision-a-social-revolution-in-wellbeing/ which is kind of interesting in relation to where we are now.
Fascinating, and thanks for the link. She’s plainly unable to see any dichotomies, which could be down to psychopathy, stupidity or malevolence; or all three. Charitably, one might adduce from the drivel in that piece that none of these conditions apply, and that, along with many members of SAGE and its subsidiaries, she is bordering on certifiably insane.
Jesus, you couldn’t make it up! Now she seems hell bent on people living the worst life they can.
sounds like more behavioural manipulation tactics from comrade mitchie and her other communist colleagues.
Oh, and our political leaders know that, when they retire from politics, they will be showered with gold from the big money big pharma ‘public health’ dictatorships once they make medical/vaxx digital ID a normal thing….
bring back hanging!
the comments in the Mails version are a hope inspiring read…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9774653/Covid-passports-compulsory-pubs-clubs-restaurants-prevent-fourth-wave.html#reader-comments
Absolutely
The comments don’t load when I go on the page, though it says there’s over 800. Has the DM hid them or is it my dodgy internet connection?
works for me?
‘Entertainment venues in England would be forced to make customers ……’
They ceased to be ‘entertainment venues’ in March 2020
https://twitter.com/neosynk/status/1413694031553601537
A sensible analysis.
A declaration of war, really.
Having a vaccination against measles, mumps, rubella, typhoid, tetanus, polio, whooping cough, TB, hepatitis B, influenza has never, ever been a requirement to go anywhere in this country.
but most of those will only kill you so nothing to worry about.
Downvoters, I think A Heretic is supporting John’s point and is also making several other points which we would all agree with, no, A Heretic?!
well yes. there are obviously far worse things out there that anybody could be carrying and nobody has ever been greatly concerned about.
And nor have “passports” ever been required for the above vaccinations.
Nor has it been a requirement to be screened for any of these things before going anywhere either? Maybe blood donation.
Do we believe the NHS is the reason the economy is being trashed, are they ‘tidying it up. to sell?. Do we still have Health Tourists?
The NHS is being smashed in order to destroy the health of the people.
The agenda is Depopulation.
Actually, depopulation is a bit tame so I’ll call it as it is – Genocide.
The ONS figures show deaths not a lot higher than the 5 year average, so what’s true, ramping the figures up to coerce the jab?
There was a link to a video posted here yesterday, of a doctor who examined indiviuals jabbed within seven days using a specific test to seek out micro blood clots that close off the capilliaries around the organs. He found them in 62% of those he examined.
His view is that they are potentially fatal within two to three years when the clotting is around the heart, lungs and brain because those organs cannot regenerate the damage caused.
Very brave Canadian doctor, who has had half his livelihood removed for his principled stand by the Canadian Communist Party in charge there.
That’ll make a nice topic and ensures a high turnout for the demo at the end of August.
What about the one in July?
There’s going to be a few coming up very soon…
Just returned from one in Brighton. Rather damp to start with but enjoyed a good natured demonstration and march around the city. Details of up coming demos can be found on:-
https://www.standupx.info/
“Government sources said…”
“A Downing Street source said…”
“Another Government figure added…”
It’s all just psyops. No-one is putting their name to it. Just to terrorise the kids. It’s inhumane. Well, they aren’t getting to my kids.
The Times apparently leading the pack on this one. I notice last night’s “might” has been promoted to “will” in today’s headlines. Was it driven by the Times’ desperation for a story, or orders from above?
I want to see those organising this strung up!
Proof, were it still needed, that this is absolutely nothing to do with a virus.
Those flow tests are great, I put the liquid on the pad and it always says Im clear! Was there another step, I’m so forgetful!??
Lockdown and the ‘vaccine’ world is Communism.
How much more evidence do people need?
By their own admission, lockdown was copied off the Communist Chinese, same place they claim the virus came from.
This story is definitely a SPI-B psyop but it does show how the government of occupation intends to hold this threat over us until the end of time despite it being completely unworkable. And they’re just openly saying it’s about coercion, Sadly a lot of young people will see this headline and rush out to get the experimental injection that they don’t need. I was wondering whether it was necessary for me to go to the next march but that question has been definitively answered now.
Not so much a case of not needing it as it being far more likely to kill or maim them than succumbing to the easily treatable scamdemic bug would.
Rise Up People – do not let them take our freedom away from us.
To a large extent they already have. And they couldn’t care less because more freedom for us means less power over us for them, which is all that matters.
So far we’ve seen:
I can’t believe anything they say!
Are you suggesting that you ever did believe anything they said? Please!
It’s the Times. for a start. It’s full of “believed to be”, “thought to have”, “believe”, “so-called”, “could”, “estimate”…It says of people having the virus – you mean tested (false) positive? And don’t get me started on Stokes Lampard! How is she the new jab tsar for the youth all of a sudden? Kind of flies in the face of her previous work in obstetrics and gynaecology, and her “oh, so caring” role in Matty Hancock’s little project: the National Academy of Social Prescribing.
Utterly disgusting and worthy of a revolt and overthrowing of the government by lethal force.
The rebellious colonists rose up against less.
I agree but the trouble is that the the majority would stand with the government and fight against us.
“Cases” are the output from the mass manufacture of tests which are known to reliably produce thousands of false positives and are used for that purpose.
Got you, suckers!
Freedom day… hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
No vaccine passports….hahahahahahahahahahahahhahhaaha
The British public gullible as always.
All roads lead to vaccine coercion, the question is why? Money or something more sinister.
Something more sinister (the Great Fascist Reset) and money as well, by the billion. The two are inextricably linked. And then there’s megalomania in the mix.
t’s because Boris Johnson despite being a libertarian at heart and is struggling to fight off those evil SAGE guys.
That’s the story I’ve been sold and I’m believing it. 100%
Oh and his mind has been captured by Carrie. But scruffy old Boris deep down really wants us all to be free. It’s just that he’s a bit up against it at the moment. As long as he’s around we have hope, though.
Just think how much worse everything would be if that commie Keir Starmer was in charge instead. We’d have lockdowns and masks everywhere. We wouldn’t be able to travel. We’d be getting vaccine passports. Our “health” would be surveilled with an NHS app.
We have all of those things now, but the difference with good old Boris, with his marvellously scruffy hair, is that we know he doesn’t really want those things. He’s one of us! Just as miffed as the rest of us.
100%
His hero is the mayor from Jaws. The one who keeps the beaches open. He’s finally going to get to be the mayor from jaws… but you’ll have to be a licensed shark fisherman to go anywhere near the water.
Remember in the USSR in the 1930s, some in the Camps, knowing they were innocent of the NKVD’s charges, said ‘…If only someone would tell Stalin…’
When they run out of reactionaries, they have to start on the revolutionaries.
Was the guy who sold it you called Tobes?
Genocide.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/ivermectin-the-sir-humphrey-tapes/
Excellent, I could hear their voices saying the lines; funny, true and very sad.
The emergency licence for their Experimental gene therapy expires in September, threaten you now so that you run out and get jabbed. It was only 12 months ago that our ‘world class’ test/track/trace system was holding everybody’s details in an Excel spread sheet. They don’t have the deployable tech for this, Italy shut down 35, yes 35 fake EU passport sites last week alone. Hopefully sceptics are sceptical about this, spread the word, stop the panic.
Will they not just be renewed though?
Not if they (the Government, i.e. we) have run out of money.
But of course that’s one thing which Quantitative Easing can “solve”!
The emergency license will go through on a nod.
So for the negative tests they will be using lateral flow device tests then I guess? Can someone please explain this then (again sent to Toby/Will and other MSM but not published or questioned, only on a couple of social media sites): Innova and DHSC Lateral Flow Test Devices: Innova were the original “manufacturers” of the mass testing lateral flow devices. Their instruction leaflet is here: https://minhalexander.files.wordpress.com/2020/12/instructions-for-use-innova-sars-cov-2-antigen-test-ifu.pdf Interesting reading as it clearly states for use on “individuals who are suspected of COVID-19 by their healthcare provider within the first five days of the onset of symptoms.“ And on page 3 “14.The performance of this test has not been evaluated for use in patients without signs and symptoms of respiratory infection and performance may differ in asymptomatic individuals. ” And this lot: LIMITATIONS OF THE PROCEDURE 1.Clinical performance was evaluated with frozen samples, and test performance may be different with fresh samples 2.Users should test specimens as quickly as possible after specimen collection. 3.Positive test results do not rule out co-infections with other pathogens. 4.Results from SARS-CoV-2 Antigen Rapid Qualitative Test should be correlated with the clinical history, epidemiological data, and other data available to the clinician evaluating the patient. 5.A… Read more »
Sir, you are one very “Awkward Git”! Hurrah! Keep banging this drum.
Because the government know that the courts will not uphold challenges to this arbitrary rule on the basis that it is unreasonable or ultra vires, there being no ’emergency’ that the Secretary of State could reasonably regard as justifying this. The politicians do it because they can, and they adore the power, and will not stop to think what the consequences are.
It’s all they’ve got.
The Scamdemic has nothing to do with a “virus.” The virus is the means to an end – MASSIVE population reduction and a return to a feudal society for those who survive.
Of course if the plan succeeds humanity will disappear from planet earth within 100 years.
The so-called elites are too thick and stupid to realise that wholesale demolition of functioning systems and societies and accompanying infrastructure will enable any sort of “build back better.”
The tossers are simply signing their own death certificates.
Who is John Galt?
We are!