Just after Health Secretary Sajid Javid said Britain should take a step “closer to normal life”, almost four million clinically vulnerable people have been told by the Government to continue taking “additional precautions” to protect themselves against Covid, including avoiding those who have not been vaccinated. The i has the story.
Updated Government guidance issued on Monday for the 3.8 million people identified as clinically extremely vulnerable stops short of telling them to shield again, but warns them to take extra measures “when Covid disease levels in the general community are high”.
It says: “As someone who is at a higher risk of becoming seriously ill if you were to catch Covid, you may wish to think particularly carefully about additional precautions you might wish to continue to take.”
The guidance suggests people “limit the close contact they have with those they do not usually meet with” and “consider whether you and those you are meeting have been vaccinated”.
Those classed as clinically extremely vulnerable include people with some cancers, illnesses and severe respiratory conditions, who are deemed to be more at risk from Covid infection due to compromised immune systems.
Many are also not able to receive a Covid vaccine due to their health conditions.
Health Secretary Sajid Javid told Parliament it was the “right time” to get the nation “closer to normal life” as he announced a relaxation of Covid rules for the non-vulnerable, but said a “new phase of continued caution” is needed as case numbers “sadly will get worse before they get better”.
Mr Javid said: “There are many people that are immunosuppressed or severely clinically vulnerable, and it is important that every stage of dealing with this pandemic that we are thinking of them and having them front of mind.
“That is what I believe we have done. Of course, where the people in that category are able to take the vaccine, they should be able to do so.”
Critics have accused the Government of abandoning those most in need with the announcement, while charities said the situation for vulnerable people is “very concerning”. …
Rachel Winter Jones, who is clinically extremely vulnerable, said the changes made “no sense” for those who have children under the age of 18, for whom vaccines are currently unavailable. “What, so I can’t meet with my children?,” she told i. …
Previous rules on shielding were lifted in March, with the clinically extremely vulnerable told that “close contact with friends and family will be a personal choice” and that “it is important that you continue to be cautious when meeting others”.
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Look into my eyes, look into my eyes, the eyes, the eyes, not around the eyes, don’t look around the eyes, look into my eyes.
Snap! You’re under.
You will not have a normal life.
No more working in office, no more visitng the doctor,All done on line and “they ” think it is great.
Well, that’s me stuffed then! I’m apparently “clinically, extremely vulnerable AND I’m unvaccinated! Hell, I’d better avoid myself! Funny though, taken good care of myself, got out in the sun, been mixing with other people, take relevant vits, no mask, no fear, and I’ve never felt better.
Strangely, I’m another vulnerable vaccine decliner, whose lifestyle and attitude would mirror your own. Nothing to report, not even a sniffle for many a long year.
Ooh, must make sure the sheeple don’t find out, big pharma could lose billions… billions, I tell you!
Don’t let’s ignore that this virus can be a nasty little bugger.
… but that no different from … EVER.
Pretty sure I had the little sod back in December 2019. All the “original” symptoms including loss of taste and smell for quite a long time. And I recovered fairly quickly, due in part I think, because I take hydroxychloroquine on a daily basis for my auto+immune condition!
Good for you.
I don’t know how we coped before without all this wonderful help and advice from those lovely government people.
It was called Natural Immunity!
That was before they began vaccinating the hell out of our children, and when we used to wash our work-surfaces with a clean cloth and soapy water instead of spraying disinfectant over everything. I have to search hard even to find a hand-soap that isn’t anti-bacterial.
Scientists will kill us all in the end, one way or another.
Mrs Mollari said exactly the same thing earlier on – she better avoid herself..
Exactly – the people I know who have had the vaccine keep complaining of feeling tired and under the weather all the time – lacking energy – I’m the only one not vaccinated and I’ve been fine – never felt better – not so much as a sniffle.
Rachel Winter Jones is also extremely vulnerable apparently but she seems to think we should all stay hiding away, wrecking the economy and social health. Why she thinks that will help escapes me. I suppose she would call us selfish when, perhaps, she is the selfish one.
Abso fucking lutely!!!????
Me too.
Good choice of accompanying photo.
…though I still think Rutger’s magnum opus was ‘Hobo With a Shotgun’.
All a preparation for the inevitable: concentration camps.
People who are vulnerable to c19 such as very old and/or very sick are vulnerable to a lot of pathogens that for most just cause a running nose for a few days. There is nothing unique about c19 with regard to this and there never was.
From the start it was clear that c19 was a very mild disease since deaths related to it follow so well natural mortality and health/comorbidities.
These vulnerable people were always vulnerable to huge list of ordinary pathogens.
This is another insidious (although indirect) attack on people who won’t have this rushed out, dangerous vaccine and a push to introduce some kind of vaccine certification in place.
I’ll say it for a millionth time. We live in a world of microorganisms and pathogens and keep interacting, transmitting and receiving them all the time. It never was and never will be a responsibility of an individual to “take care” that these pathogens don’t infect someone in the course of doing regular activities in life. Lockdown, restrictions, masking, etc. should never have happened based on just this principle (let alone all the others).
Individuals cannot “take care to avoid infecting others” because “individuals” don’t “infect others”. All kinds of microorganisms, viruses and parasites “nest” (so to say) in human bodies and may travel from one body to another in an uncontrollable (by the individual) way, depending on environmental circumstances. The only thing individuals can do about this is “try to avoid getting infected by avoiding other people” and/ or wear suitable protective clothing.
Semi-random anecdote fitting in here: At some time during the last year, I needed new glasses. Obviously, everybody at Specsavers, especially, the optometrists, where masked and PPEd to the hilt in order to “protect themselves” and “reassure customers”. Regardless of this, this being my first close contact with another person for months, I immediately picked something up which gave me a slight fever and a sore throat for about 2 days.
Indeed. Thank you for the anecdote. On the topic of microorganisms on/in human bodies: More than half your body is not human https://www.bbc.com/news/health-43674270 Human cells make up only 43% of the body’s total cell count. The rest are microscopic colonists. Understanding this hidden half of ourselves – our microbiome – is rapidly transforming understanding of diseases from allergy to Parkinson’s. The field is even asking questions of what it means to be “human” and is leading to new innovative treatments as a result. “They are essential to your health,” says Prof Ruth Ley, the director of the department of microbiome science at the Max Planck Institute, “your body isn’t just you”. No matter how well you wash, nearly every nook and cranny of your body is covered in microscopic creatures. This includes bacteria, viruses, fungi and archaea (organisms originally misclassified as bacteria). The greatest concentration of this microscopic life is in the dark murky depths of our oxygen-deprived bowels. Prof Rob Knight, from University of California San Diego, told the BBC: “You’re more microbe than you are human.” But genetically we’re even more outgunned. The human genome – the full set of genetic instructions for a human being – is… Read more »
Delighted to read that I’m not overweight, I’m simply providing a first class habitat for billions of other life forms, all of which have as much right to life as I.
One might as well order plants not to pollinate themselves.
And sensible exposure to germs is good for natural immunity, as is unpasteurised, raw food within reason, and the key to good health lies within nature, and I really don’t need any forced pharmaceutical interventions, and stress, being a huge killer, will do for many as a result of these ghastly human rights abuses.
Just saying, like…
Just when you thought it couldn’t get more dystopian
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/democrat-groups-plan-fact-check-private-sms-messages
All of our phone conversations and texts are already being listened to and scanned. Nothing new under the sun.
And has been going on for nearly twenty years.
Ha ha ha, I pity the poor twats who have to listen or read my mundane conversations!
Biden plans to run a Health Junta. With him nominally in charge though perhaps he should look at funding Alzheimer’s
I don’t think Biden’s planning a health junta – I doubt that senile old child sniffer’s even capable of planning breakfast for the following day. His WEF / Davos puppeteers on the other hand…
More piffle from Javid, but piffle with the purpose of coercing thoroughly sensible people into agreeing to their own assisted suicide by lethal injection. No thanks Javid, you can stick your toxic brew, where the sun don’t shine.
Yep, and luckily some of us aren’t easily fooled, and actually know what’s best for our own health and bodies. Savage Rabid Jabid can do one.
… “consider whether you and those you are meeting have been vaccinated”. I’ve considered it, and based on ‘The Science‘, have requested the government to fuck of and try to do something useful for a change. Bottom line – the unvaccinated are no greater threat to me than the vaccinated. ARR ~1%, and no evidence of non-transmission (and that’s putting it kindly). Actually, we’ve had a perfect example of having to make a judgement. We have a 1-year old grandson, and my partner was intending next week to go down and visit and help out for a few days. Unfortunately, the whole family of three has had a dose of what clearly looks to be SARS (not the same as ‘Covid’ – let’s be precise). Both parents vaccinated. Question : Is it wise for my partner to stay with them, given recent status of infection and my possible significant vulnerability? We decided probably not – within 14 days of the last infection emerging – even if the median safe zone is 10 days+. No agonizing. No guarantees. Just proportionate caution to specific circumstances, rather than wild, randomly generated, hypochondria. That’s what ‘normality’ means – and it’s not that difficult –… Read more »
I remember, in the good old days, trying to avoid flu and norovirus in the same way. I dared to make my own decision, how stupid was I. I know better now and listen to all the modelling “experts”!
And just in time this article on AIER:
“Externality” Is No Good Excuse for Mandatory Vaccination
https://www.aier.org/article/externality-is-no-good-excuse-for-mandatory-vaccination/
The whole don’t kill granny stuff was about as vile as it gets and this is on the same level as that. We don’t really seem to understand transmission much, but it does seem to be high viral load situations which are problematic. That’s why children aren’t a risk to adults, because they only get mild infections. Can’t immediately find it but there was the study that showed households with children had lower rates of covid in in the adults than similar households without children. And then there was the study that showed that where one member of the household tested positive for T cells but not antibodies, indicative of a mild infection, there was an association with other members in the household testing positive for T cells and not antibodies. So while it is unclear, if a vulnerable person were to avoid people without symptoms who weren’t vaccinated it probably increases the chance that they will get a bad form of covid in a high risk setting such as a hospital. So I think following Javid’s advice would probably end up with vulnerable people dying. And of course people who have had natural infection will have much longer lasting… Read more »
Yes, disgusting.
It’s also the lynch-pin of the entire bollox. Face knickers, snake oil, the asymptomatic transmission lie: all designed to made zombies believe that real, live human beings are squelching sacks of poison.
Not themselves, of course. Everybody else.
I’m staggered to hear some people aren’t able to be “vaccinated” because of their health! Doesn’t matter if you’re extremely elderly and on death’s door (hell, these were the first to be injected!), immunosuppressed, in heart failure, have dementia, pregnant or lactating, still at school, have a history of anaphylaxis etc etc etc. I have not heard of a single person being told not to have the injections by the NHS. No-one is spared. No-one is excused. Protecting those who CAN’T be “vaccinated” is another government lie.
I have been told not to be vaccinated for several months. Following a stem cell transplant my immune system is not capable of responding.
You’re fucked then….
My neighbours daughter was told not to get pregnant for 12 months. My uncle 96 with cancer went along and no questions were asked. He died 2 weeks after the 2nd jab. Its all very random
I know! I can’t possibly give my “informed consent” to having these jabs as I’ve had not one word of information about these jabs from the NHS. But I’ve done research, looked at a number of sources, and found that the V could be detrimental, based on limited data because trials are incomplete, to someone with an autoimmune condition or on immunosuppresents!
I know people with autoimmune conditions who were invited to be vaccinated and told it was safe. A neighbour of someone I know with an autoimmune condition but otherwise well died within days of the injection from what was clearly an adverse reaction.
I had an autoimmune condition, long since in remission. I’ve more or less given up hope of getting any meaningful, trustworthy information on the possible impact of the vaccine on people in my situation.
Have you tried local support groups or charities related to your condition? I am getting lots of information about vaccines and myeloma via myeloma UK.
Conditions in people I know who were told to take the vaxx
Heart failure – had internal defrib removed so he could die peacefully but is still kicking
Breast Cancer (between treatments)
Polycythemia ruba vera
Crohn’s Disease
Severe allergies (regularly hospitalised)
Basically, everyone – regardless of other conditions. None of which will have had sufficient testing yet they were all more than happy to be jabbed.
Isn’t it peculiar that the likes of aspirin, paracetamol or ibuprofen have got an extensive list of side effects, precautions and prohibitions listed. Drugs known and used since late 19th century.
And yet those completely new “vaccines” are meant to be completely safe – first time ever in the history of big and small pharma.
People who cannot smell a rat about that fact alone are morons or imbeciles – take your pick.
Bit like telling pregnant women not to smoke, drink, eat shellfish, pate and soft cheese…”but take the vax! Its fine!”
That’s true but apparently there’s just not much point in vaccinating people with suppressed immune systems as there’s just nothing to jump into action. I believe they did try it and it did nothing. Still, that might’ve meant they escaped lucky!
at the beginning of the summer ripple, they were very keen to tell us how many of the cases/deaths were unvaccinated.
they’ve gone a bit quiet now – so I assume the vaccinated are making the the cases and deaths (simplest explanation)
has anyone seen any recent announcements?
No updates since 25th June. I checked again today.
I wonder why. I saw the article that “vaccinated” “cases” are rising (whilst “unvaccinated” falling).. What about hospitalisations and deaths?
that’s just nasty because vulnerable people probably do this anyway if they know someone has a cold etc. They can wear a mask or a scarf over their mouth but causing division like this is disgraceful
Unclean! Unclean!
More coercion. Fucking get me off this planet
Unfortunately, I think that’s what they are working on!
How are they supposed to identify the unvaccinated?
It’s a good point. Though I believe this is designed to get those fully on board the Covid train to alienate those few family members refusing to get vaccinated. Not just family either, but friends too. This is an attempt to use loved ones as pressure on those refusing.
People ask. I think that’s one of the reasons they ask.
The unvaccinated are an easy bunch to spot, just look for these tell tale signs:
-visibly at ease with themselves and others
-will enter shops without a mask over their face
-greet their fellow humans with hugs and handshakes
-not likely to step into oncoming traffic to avoid you
-sparkle of life in their eyes
Bells round out neck? Wouldn’t put that past the tyrants that call themselves a government,
Arm bands!
They will be branded with a ‘U’ on the forehead (above the mask line).
Don’t worry, I’m sure Big Brother will come up with a way to identify us…..maybe some kind of badge to wear?
The fear porn has been turned up a notch.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/backlash-after-horror-australian-covid-ad-shows-woman-gasping-for-air/ar-AAM68Zj
They have it backwards — the vulnerable should be weary of the vaccinated, not the unvaccinated. We’re at the point in the infectious cycle where the vaccinated have high levels of asymptomatic infection. What’s more, they will be more infectious than an equivalent unvaccinated person with asymptomatic infection, and for longer. This is because the unvaccinated are fairly likely to become infected in their upper respiratory tract, and while the anti-spike antibodies from vaccination will stop the infection getting worse (reduce the risk of symptomatic infection), they will also suppress the action of the innate immune system and thus stop it clearing the infection up. I believe this is what we are seeing in the latest Zoe app data — we have passed the peak of infections in the unvaccinated, however, there are still high levels of asymptomatic infection in the vaccinated, some of which are slowly getting converted into symptomatic covid; cases of symptomatic covid are still increasing in the vaccinated: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E52uJ4eXoAA4Qwq?format=jpg&name=small But note that they have been infectious for some time; this longer term presence of disease in the vaccinated is likely to maintain infectious pressure for a while longer, changing the recovery in this infectious cycle from… Read more »
I’m nit extremely. vulnerable and I have no right to lecture those who are. But I do wonder if I would want to continue with that living death.
Cunts
The obvious elephant in the living room is that when one’s immune system is no longer functioning, they die.
. “What, so I can’t meet with my children?,” she told i. …
Of course she can if she chooses, why are people so dense?
You would think if the government ‘cared’ so much for people they would introduce treatment protocols like ivermectin and zinc etc.
Hmm that Rachel Winter Jones woman has a Twitter profile with a badge that says #masksinschools so I think that sums up what she thinks of her own children. Poor little blighters being made to think that they’re killing Mommy for getting an education and breathing.
If the Fascist brutes cared for people they’d treat them like human beings.
I wonder how those vulnerable pensioners in Florida are coping in their retirement homes?
How are the clinically vulnerable meant to know who is unvaccinated? Maybe the unvaccinated should be made to wear bells to signify they’re unclean. Bring it on, I’d wear my bell with pride to show that I can think for myself.
Libertarian, freedom-loving, bold Alexander “Boris” Johnson and his libertarian assistant Said Javid strike again. You can just sense the urge they have to move on from covid and get back to normal.
This kind of thing is just plain evil. When is the LS team going to grasp this and start to plan for the long campaign needed to chip away at the madness. The evil loonies in charge are not going to deliver us from madness.
The WHO announced via this publication – in mid to late 2019:
“We need to have a co-ordinated global experience of a respiratory pathogen release which by September of 2020 must put in place a universal capacity for public relations management, crowd control and the acceptance of a universal vaccine mandate.”
WHODUNNIT? THE AWFUL TRUTH ABOUT COVID19 HAS FINALLY EMERGED
https://richardsonpost.com/howellwoltz/22618/whodunnit-the-awful-truth-about-covid19-has-finally-emerged/
Yet more advice designed to harm rather than heal.
‘Avoid those not vaccinated?’
The non-vaccine injections do not stop anyone from catching the alleged virus and do not stop transmission so non injected are just as safe as those injected. In fact probably safer because a lot of reported deaths are now of the doubly injected.
More Orwellian nonsense. Crap like this is really insulting to those of us with some intelligence left.
Bastards.
How will they know who to avoid?
And since these immunowhatsit people are themselves unvaccinated, who can approach whom?
Scintillating conversation:
CV:Hello, I’m clinically vulnerable. Are you vaccinated?
Vaxxoid: Are you?
CV: No.
Vaxxoid: Then don’t you come near me.
Non-vaxxer: You can come near me, I don’t mind.
CV: Are you vaccinated?
Non-vaxxer: No. Are you?
CV: No.
Non-vaxxer: That’s all right then.
CV: No it isn’t.
And so ad infinitum.
I’ve just overheard someone saying that they had covid last year and are double jabbed but they are not going back into the office because UK infections are ‘in the red’ and they don’t want to catch covid again. These people are the problem and the reason we will NEVER move on. These Gov proclamations are just fueling their insanity. The line is being drawn deeper in the sand. So be it.
So the vaccinated can’t catch it or spread it to others? Now I got it.