“Vaccines tsar Kate Bingham can’t travel abroad because she had trial jab” – Dame Kate Bingham is among an estimated 40,000 Britons unable to leave the county because she took part in early vaccine trials, and, according to the Telegraph, the NHS computer system doesn’t recognise the trial jabs
“Price rises speed up again as economy unlocks” – The inflation rate has hit 2.5% in June, the BBC reports, the highest for nearly three years and exceeding the Bank of England’s target for a second month in a row
“It’s our patriotic duty to live as freely and boldly as we can” – “I’m sick of being told that I am selfish, irresponsible or uncaring because I want my offspring and their contemporaries to enjoy the rich, exciting, full and, yes, unmasked life which they need to flourish,” says Allison Pearson in the Telegraph
“Yes, care-home workers must be vaccinated” – “Mandatory vaccinations for care-home staff does not set a dangerous, dystopian precedent,” writes Brendan O’Neill in Spiked
“Farewell, Liberté” – “Freedom for the French will from now on be loosely defined as freedom to do what you think is best, as long as the state agrees,” says Richard Ings in the Conservative Woman
“The Tyranny of Masks” – Psychologist Dr. Gary Sidely is the guest on Escape from Lockdown, explaining to host Alex McCarron why the Government mandated masks and why some scientists are obsessed with them
“France Takes To The Streets” – Hugo Talks covers the protests in France that followed President Macron’s speech announcing vaccine passports would be required for pubs, clubs, restaurants and shops and hinting that the jab could become mandatory
“Spain’s top court rules pandemic lockdown unconstitutional” – Spain’s Constitutional Court has ruled by a narrow margin that the Government’s measure last year ordering the population to shelter in their homes was unconstitutional and a violation of citizens rights, the Associated Press reports
“In Athens, thousands rally against COVID-19 vaccinations” – More than 5,000 anti-vaxx protesters, some them waving Greek flags and wooden crosses, rallied in Athens to oppose Greece’s coronavirus vaccinations programme, Reuters reports,
“More young Canadians died from ‘unintentional side effects’ of the pandemic, not Covid” – The Toronto Sun reports on the latest data from Statistics Canada which says that there were 5,535 excess deaths of people under the age of 65, but just 1,380 Covid-related deaths in that age group, suggesting that the excess mortality is related to other factors, such as substance use
“Some strip clubs to require vaccine passports for entry” – Filmores near Sherbourne and Dundas in Toronto have said that all dancers will be vaccinated, as will all other employees, the Post Millennial reports, and the establishments expect the same of their guests
“No Victory Lap For Governors Who Locked Down America” – James Bovard responds for the AIER to Andrew Cuomo’s recent statement that his experience of the COVID-19 crisis “was a tremendous personal benefit” and Governors now have a new “credibility” and a new “status”
“South Africa’s Looting, Violence Reflect Inequalities Exacerbated by COVID-19 Pandemic” – The violence and looting in parts of South Africa reflect “deep-seated problems” in the country’s economy, say Gabriele Steinhauser and Aaisher Dadi Patel in the Wall Street Journal. “A third pandemic lockdown is exacerbating economic pain and joblessness that has disproportionately affected the poor”
“Is the vaccination emperor as naked as his lockdown cousin?” – Ramesh Thakur takes a look at pre and post-vaccination mortality data from the European Union for Spectator Australia and finds that “the total number of COVID-19 related deaths more than doubled in the six months following vaccination compared to the six months before”
“Enough is enough. We have to live with the virus” – Pathologist Dr. Clare Craig is nervous about what might happen come autumn, but, she tells Mark Dolan on talkRADIO, she doesn’t think people will tolerate another lockdown
"Enough is enough. We have to live with the virus."
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Hugh
4 years ago
“Masks, screens and workplace bubbles”..
I thought those screens were dirty and helped spread germs! And masking is a filthy habit. (Happy anniversary for yesterday btw – “masks compulsory in shops”, 14/07/20).
As I’ve said before, dirty government scum.
Hugh
4 years ago
“Restaurants, pubs urged to use vaxports”.
I thought businesses were just being “helped and supported” to use them (if they were a “larger venue”). Stuffing mission creep…
I’m just about to join a gym. First question will be about vaxx passports. If they come in I will cancel, so need to know the contract will allow it. Should do as it’s a change of T&Cs. It’s Bannatyne’s so I hope he will fight against passports too.
It’s the only one with a pool. I’m desperate to get back to swimming, it helps my back. Our local council run one is closed for redevelopment. Looks like I’ll have to make do with the sea, and find a way to get in past the stones…..pebbles and a bad back is not good.
A lobotomy for Brendan O’Neill is not dystopian. If the ‘vaccines’ don’t work for the vulnerable residents, then how can they be expected to work for the workers?
The workers have better immune systems and it provides another layer of defence. You can’t really expect an old person in a care home to be wearing an FFP3 mask.
What’s disappointing is failing to demand that ventilation in care homes is improved and upgraded, but I suspect that is because we keep old people in appalling out of date buildings for the most part.
There are consequences to not being vaccinated. You still have the choice to do that, and others have the choice not to employ you. Just as if you have a facial tattoo, a scruffy beard or won’t wear a suit.
You can’t demand others do what you want them to do – not if you want to say to others you can’t force me to wear a mask.
Free speech and free choice isn’t freedom from consequences. Your freedoms depend entirely upon what we all collectively agree in a society. There are no God given rights, only ones granted by other humans.
Everybody else. Ultimately if everybody else get fed up with you then can rip you apart limb from limb and there is nothing you can do about it. As they found out in Iran in about 1979.
We’re reliant upon others and reliant upon coming to an accommodation with others by negotiation.
Human rights are granted by other humans. And they can take them away again just as easily. Which is why we have to win the belief war, otherwise an Iranesque society awaits us.
The only reason people are going along with this is because they have only been exposed to brainwashing and propaganda which tells them the jabs are all good, they’re all safe, there’s no issues, that they work just like any other vaccine – all of which is completely false. They have also been brainwashed into believing their life is in massive danger from Covid19 – more lies, and that the vaccine is “the only option”. So before any vaccine mandates are brought in (which should NEVER EVER HAPPEN), surely in a democracy like you describe where the people are king, it is only right that all the cards are laid out clearly on the table, with all the downsides advertised and propagandised as heavily and for as long as the so called (non-existent) benefits. So once people are in a position to make a genuinely informed choice, after months pf heavy propaganda to warn them of all the very real horrific outcomes in the short medium and long term, the fact it’s all experimental, the fact mRNA and coronavirus vaccines have all failed all animal trials over decades multiple times, plus the fact all the safe and effective drug treatments… Read more »
But wearing a suit does not come with unknown risk nor does it have any permanent effect on your body.
I don’t have a problem with requiring vaccines in certain, exceptional, situations – I had my jabs when working in Kenya and Botswana – but they were jabs that had long since left the experimental stage and had years of data behind them.
There has been no credible data or risk-benefit analysis done of the effectiveness of forced vaccination in care homes, and no proper analysis of whether it will do much, or anything, to stop infections. A general glance at what is happening in heavily vaccinated populations like Israel suggests it will do the grand total of bugger all.
So your analogies are frankly nonsense – unless you can show taking experimental therapy with no historical clinical data behind it is no more risky or likely to cause severe anxiety than wearing a nice shirt.
Last time I checked tradesmen entering offices weren’t subject to dress codes either.
Tradesmen don’t get near the residents, asking for them to be vaxxed is 100% political.
“But wearing a suit does not come with unknown risk nor does it have any permanent effect on your body.”
A face tattoo does. A drink problem does. Not minding your Ps & Qs does.
Millions of people have been vaccinated with various Covid vaccine. That’s an awful lot of data now. Time to accept you’re being emotional – like the mask fanatics.
The vaccines could be better, and they will become better over time.
It’ not data it’s long term data. There is a reason why drug trials take so long. Six months worth of data is nothing in the grand scheme of things, especially when the adverse events database is showing neary 1500 deaths, and over a million adverse events. Some of these are far from trivial.
There is no doubt that, for a lot of people, these vaccines are more dangerous than covid ever would’ve been.
We should’ve protected the elderly and vulnerable, and then they should’ve been vaccinted if they wanted to be, and for everyone else we should’ve carried on as normal and let the virus pass through. The hospitals would’ve coped. But we panicked, and we are now in a mess we can’t get out of.
“especially when the adverse events database is showing neary 1500 deaths, and over a million adverse events. Some of these are far from trivial.”
They are relatively trivial when compared to the deaths and adverse events from Covid on a per 1000 basis. And blowing it out of proportion does nobody any good on either side.
It’s my view we’ve done as much as we can and we should just get back to normal. But it is pretty clear that panic is pushing leaders across the world to go back to rituals that don’t work but appease the population.
It’s a disturbing time, but the level of vaccine hysteria on these forums is just as disturbing. It’s the same self-conforming stroking between certain individuals convinced they are correct that you see from the mask fanatics on Reddit et al.
You’re a liar. In Portugal the authorities declared only 0.9% of the Covid deaths are actually Covid deaths. You won’t get this kind of admission from the lying filth that contros the UK, but that’s the reality. C19 is a nothing burger of a virus, but the vaxx harms are off the charts and the worst is yet to come. What kind of low grade human wants this for people?
I wont speak for others, but I am not blowing anything out of proportion, just sharing the ONS data. For me, I am not against vaccines, and have had all sorts to travel to all over the world. Both my kids are vaccinated. My issue is simply that I personally dont want to take a new vaccine for a disease I have already had and have natural immunity to, especially a novel one that has not even finished clinical trials. My second issue is that I do think anyone should be mandated or coerced into taking any medical treatment.
You are a Covidian. The most vulnerable group is that aged over eighty five and the last figures I saw gave the survival rate for those infected in that group as 99.32%.
There is no pandemic, that is a hoax supported by criminally unethical medics falsifying death certificates and misapplied tests that were not designed to detect viruses and run at cycles that are guaranteed to return false positive results.
It doesn’t matter how many millions have been jabbed – you can’t buy time. We have no precedent or data to know long term effects, it’s fairly simple to understand.
Although I worry a little about your capacity for understanding when you say “tattoos have long term effect. Yes mate they do – but no one is forcing anyone to get a tattoo.
When you see someone who doesn’t even understand their own argument, that’s when you know you are dealing with Covidian.
I think his argument is that society forces people to not get tattoo’s. If they do, there are consequences.
He is right to a point. Society does regulate behaviour. And if we want to change path, then winning the ‘belief’ (as he put it) of society is crucial.
And if this was a legitimate vaccine (like a real inoculation) against something like a highly contagious strain of Ebola (just an example here), then choosing not to get vaccinated will have consequences too. Though you could apply the herd immunity theory still, in that if enough get vaccinated, what’s it matter to those few that decline?
To be fair, much of what he writes is correct. Where he lost it for me was when he claimed it was ‘Better to have the protection than not.’
It is down to interpretation of the data available (and to the data you know about), however it is becoming increasingly obvious that the protection you receive is negligible, with a serious chance of harm. With any potential long term harms completely unknown.
I don’t understand that if you have really looked at the data, why you would say “better to have the protection than not.”
I’m going to compete with you for the most downticks but for an opposing moral question, which is, why do we put our elderly relatives into care homes in the first place? Is it okay for Brendan to outsource the care of his theoretical elderly relative (his relative, his responsability?) and then expect his relative to be cared for by another human who has to be jabbed? I’m guessing a lot of people don’t want to wipe bottoms, don’t want to give up their lifestyle, don’t want to live with someone’s dementia. I can’t help thinking we shouldn’t have higher moral standards for others than we do for ourselves. Apologies to people here who do have relatives in homes, I don’ t think you are bad people in any event and in many cases there will be complex needs that couldn’t be handled in a domestic setting anyway. It’s just this jabby thing annoys me.
Currently I have 2 in the same care home, one perhaps temporary having respite with aim of returning home. I wouldn’t want any of the care workers who do not wish to have a vax to be forced. Infection control is much more complex than vaccination alone. Young carers should not be forced to have a vax with such unknown long term properties or give up their job. That is so terrible. Perhaps it’s natural I feel this way as I don’t want to be forced to take these vaccines.
It’s a lovely idea that families should look after their own elderly but families differ, some large and extended, some small with just one or two members. I am in the second category and that makes it impossible to care for someone with dementia and physical health decline. They need 24 hour care, hoists for moving and for bathing and some can be abusive.
Very thoughtful response, Wendy, I appreciate it. Indeed, when I think about it, sometimes it’s one half of an elderly couple who is in a home because understandably, their elderly other half can’t cope esp. if abuse or even violence involved.
That raises another moral question. Why am I responsible for somebody else, who I might not even like, just because I’m related to them by blood? How is that freedom?
Isn’t it the elderly’s job to insure their care in the market rather than expecting other people to look after them via some strange out of date code that no longer applies in the 21st century.
Well my sense is that as yet we don’t know how effective AZ or the other vaccines will be for anyone and forcing it on young people is abhorrent as is forcing it on anyone what ever their seeming risk.
The ONS did a care home antibody study last year, Vivaldi Study, and found covid antibodies in elder residents who had not been recorded as having an illness. Perhaps we can’t make a blanket generalisation about risk, maybe it will depend on individual susceptibility.
Well both my relatives are paying in full for their own care with their own money but both my relatives are not able to manage their money or wider affairs. They could not make an informed choice, search for a place to live and be cared for because of their declining mental and physical capacity.
As much as we would all like to think we can plan ahead and make decisions for our future care, sadly dementia takes away our ability to self care and to made plans. Many of us without extended family will need workers, perhaps a social worker, to help us. And my experience of the current systems of health and social care for my elderly relatives is that it is extremely lacking.
‘As much as we would all like to think we can plan ahead and make decisions for our future care, sadly dementia takes away our ability to self care and to made plans.’
As, too often in recent history, does the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
You are unbelievable and, although I hate to use the word, perhaps some sort of troll. You are responsible for your parents because they were responsible for you when, as a mewling brat, you were incapable of looking after yourself. The obligation to care for our parents in their dotage is bestowed on us at birth.
“You can’t demand others do what you want them to do – not if you want to say to others you can’t force me to wear a mask.” Funny, it seems to me you are making an apology here for doing exactly that. As far as I’m aware, this government is not leaving it up to care homes to decide. It is imposing a requirement. And if it is a matter of allowing employers to discriminate against those who refuse the vaccine, as was suggested would be the case for nightclubs, then what makes it acceptable to discriminate against those who haven’t fallen for the panic? You are willing to accept the destruction of such people’s lives and livelihoods, merely to add (supposedly) “another layer of defence”, against a disease that is not particularly dangerous or prevalent in the first place. “Free speech and free choice isn’t freedom from consequences. Your freedoms depend entirely upon what we all collectively agree in a society. There are no God given rights, only ones granted by other humans.” This is the case for the tyranny of the majority. People tend to love it, until they find they themselves, or some issue they regard… Read more »
“You are willing to accept the destruction of such people’s lives and livelihoods”
Why haven’t they destroyed their own livelihoods by refusing to conform to the requirements of employment? The choice not to be vaccinated is the individuals. The employer can just hire somebody else – since there are plenty of people in the market without work that want it. Most of them are vaccinated.
Presumably you’re not against the market allocating resources.
You don’t have the right of a living wage job in the UK. I’d be for that right, but quite a lot on the conservative wing appear to be against it for some reason. Perhaps they’ll be less against it in the future.
“This is the case for the tyranny of the majority.”
It’s not the case. It’s the reality. Minorities exist by the good grace of the majority. If that grace disappears the minority will be eliminated. And there isn’t a thing you can do about it. Lookup what ‘outlaw’ meant originally.
I might tend to agree with you if these vaccines actually stopped transmission, but they dont, and were designed to. So employers forcing staff to get a vaccine makes no sense at all. At best it will offer symptom reduction in the vaccinated, but is that seriously why they are mandating an experimental treatment?
Symptom reduction reduces shedding and the shedding period. They are not sterlisation vaccines, but the data from them leans towards a reduction in infectivity from the vaccinated.
Plus the elderly in the homes no doubt want to be attended by vaccinated people – probably in masks. That’s the reassurance argument again.
And keeping calling it an ‘experimental treatment’ when there have been millions vaccinated is pejorative and emotional. The experiment is over and the results are in.
“And keeping calling it an ‘experimental treatment’ when there have been millions vaccinated is pejorative and emotional. The experiment is over and the results are in.“
This is clearly an intentional falsehood on your part, as you know better by virtue even just of conversations I’ve seen you have on here.
It’s “experimental” by definition because it hasn’t completed the normal trials that we have required of such treatments. It was only released while still experimental because there was supposedly an “emergency” justification.
It’s also “experimental” because contrary to your false assertion here, we have not yet seen the consequences of mass vaccination.
“It’s also “experimental” because contrary to your false assertion here, we have not yet seen the consequences of mass vaccination.”
We can see it all around us. Millions vaccinated and a complete lack of piles of bodies – despite the naysayers on here prophesising doom.
There comes a point when you will have to accept you are wrong in your beliefs. Just as with the mask fanatics with whom you share the same lack of rationality and reasonableness I’m afraid.
Might not be piles of bodies, but I don’t see piles of bodies in the non-vulnerable from COVID either. Vaccination makes sense for the vulnerable and aged, for those who are neither the balance is far less obvious – and there are side effects which cannot be ignored. Vaccinate the vulnerable, should they want it, and move on. Nothing more to see.
“Vaccination makes sense for the vulnerable and aged, for those who are neither the balance is far less obvious – and there are side effects which cannot be ignored. “
The balance of risk is on the side of the vaccine down to about age 40. Below that less so.
It’s a punt either way. The riskless option is no longer available.
I’m not sure balance of risk matters. If my risk of dying from Covid is 1 in 38,000, those are such good odds, I don’t care if my odds of a life-changing AE from the jab is say only 1 in 100,000. Why take that smaller risk at all?
But look at swine flu in the 70’s, or thalidomide. I agree, the chances of taking this vaccine and dropping dead after a week or two are extremely small. However, what we dont know is the long term effects. How you could argue that i’ve no idea
Many of the elderly in the homes don’t have the capacity to make this decision. In the past a doctor would discuss whether or not to give the flu vaccine to a frail dementia sufferer with the view that flu might let them die and not prolong the suffering. This is not a discussion gps can currently have about the covid vaccines. Relatives have to give authorisation for the covid vaccine where a person does not have capacity and I know some did not give this though I did as my relatives when able to consent did have the flu vaccine so I made an assumption for them that they would wish to have the covid vaccine.
Laying in bed being fed and changed for years is hardly living and that was the last 2 years of my friends life before she died at age 70 with Alzheimer’s. We currently with our mental and physical faculties can fantasise about planning for our old age but when mental decline and dementia takes these faculties slowly it is not possible.
You assert that this is “the reality”, but it isn’t, in any culture that values liberal tolerance (almost all, to some degree). All such cultures have put limits on how far minorities can be suppressed or coerced to comply with majority ethics.
“Presumably you’re not against the market allocating resources.“
As pointed out, but you seem to be wilfully ignoring, this is nothing to do with the market, it’s state dictat.
“All such cultures have put limits on how far minorities can be suppressed or coerced to comply with majority ethics.”
Those limits change. See Iran for details.
“As pointed out, but you seem to be wilfully ignoring, this is nothing to do with the market, it’s state dictat.”
So is banning arsenic in the water supply. Or effluent in rivers. The state determines the parameters by which the market operates. It’s not a natural creation. It’s a creation of human beings via the social construction of a state which is the emanation of their collective will.
“So is banning arsenic in the water supply. Or effluent in rivers. The state determines the parameters by which the market operates. It’s not a natural creation. It’s a creation of human beings via the social construction of a state which is the emanation of their collective will.“
The issue here is your pretended refusal to accept limits on what the state can inflict on minorities. Of course, there is no serious reason to believe you actually support this, because I have no doubt that in other scenarios you would be loudly insisting on the wrongfulness of the state doing whatever it wanted with minorities.
There is a kind of profound hypocrisy in this kind of amoral posturing.
The state of course is not some kind of mystical “emanation” of a “collective will”. It’s just a structure in place to achieve certain goals – the rule of law and collective defence of the borders. The details are established by politics, in which people have differing degrees of influence.
Surely the point being missed here is that the animals in the experiments died when exposed to the wild virus. We are in the middle of summer, when respiratory viruses are in retreat. The time to judge the efficacy of the “vaccines” is next Spring, after the usual winter viruses have been through the population, and we have seen the effect of ADE ( the thing responsible for killing the animals in the initial trials).
The acknowledged adverse effects so far are in my view more than sufficient to cause all “vaccination” to cease. In any event there is no emergency and no justification the use of these products.
In my opinion, for what it is worth, we are witnessing a monstrous crime without precedent in peacetime history.
No they haven’t destroyed their own livelihoods, people like you have. This was not a requirement when they became carers but now you’re saying it is. That is just fundamentally wrong.
”Your freedoms depend entirely upon what we all collectively agree in a society.”
That is the fundamental issue at stake here.
On one hand there are the people very happy to live like ants; on the other hand there are people who expect to able to live like independent human beings. And before you respond with some silly comment, the vast majority of the second group accept that there have to be some simple limits put on behaviour for any society to exist and flourish.
The ‘hive’ is on top at the moment, its supported by AI of silicon valley, big pharma and finance looking to make $trillions from disruptive capitalism.
However humans have independant free will. Self awareness. It is not easily overcome for any length of time.
I wouldn’t want to be in the hive when the gas man cometh.
But not the independent capacity to survive. Your existence depends upon others. If they withdraw their support because you haven’t conformed to the group norms, you will die.
You managed to make the sort of silly comment I referred to, well done, so predictable.
There is a very very large difference between ‘group norms’ which is no different to mob rule, and the freedom to more or less anything constrained by sensible limitations agreed as representing the necessary limitations of anti-social behavour which would otherwise inhibit functional society.
My exostence depends on me, no-one else. I feel extremely sorry for you if you think otherwise.
If you wouldn’t do this for the flu – and manifestly we havn’t decided to do so for the flu, in normal times, despite the destruction it causes in care homes – and you wouldn’t do this for the other coronaviruses – despite the fact that even ‘common’ coronavirus infections can kill up to 10% of residents in a care home – then we shouldn’t do this for COVID-19.
Anyone like him, who doesn’t get the principle of inalienable individual rights, above all the one of bodily autonomy, and that they are trumping everything else, in particular pseudo-utilitarian goals set by a corrupted self-anointed elite and ruling cabal of politicians, ‘journalists’, ‘scientists’ and business leaders isn’t worth of any estimation anymore.
I pay a monthly subscription to ‘Spiked,’ and only last night I was questioning myself because frankly their coverage of C1984 has been pathetic. There is no analysis and a rather vague impression that they support the government. At its worst Spiked’s view on the Scamdemic is that it is a nasty irritant taking away from their much needed woke bashing.
Well, O’Neill has made the decision for me. I will be cancelling my subscription.
Hugh
4 years ago
“Paris in flames as protesters fight vaxport”.
That’s the spirit! It was Manual Chevron that declared war on his people, dozy technocrat. Liberty and equality now!
When all the mainstream media refuses to acknowledge dissent, even mass peaceful protest, there is literally only one way to make it so it can’t be ignored. My sincere hope is that the French are about to take that way.
I picked this up elsewhere. A striking similarity between Nazi Germany’s 1942 edicts about places French Jews could not enter and Macron’s latest edict about the nonvaxed.
And all about cases, not deaths or hospitalisations – which was supposed to be the problem in the first place.
There will be cases. Lots of them. Because vaccination was never designed to eliminate cases, it was designed to reduce hospitalisations and deaths. Cases then get us to herd immunity like any other infection.
Once again mission creep has moved into hyper cleanliness – the hallmark of the hysterical.
I find it odd that Macron’s latest move to force vaccine apartheid and total control over tracking tracing and assigning a digital ID to every citizen (or face exclusion from life) is not the main focus of LS.
This is the greatest infringement of Frances rights since the Nazi occupation and this isn’t headlined. On top of this the massive street protests which need our support, because it’s coming here next.
“pre and post-vaccination mortality data from the European Union”
In the real world, epidemics follow a Gompertz curve and are all but over after a few weeks, because of herd immunity. In the parallel ‘reality’ of the BBC, the WHO, the lamestream press, YouTube censors, etc., natural immunity is “medical misinformation”, and the only immunity is that provided by untested injections, but bizarrely the injections coincide with increased mortality and a never-ending “pandemic”.
I am rather surprised the LS has put the Spanish Constitutional Court ruling in its round up section and not as a major item. The news is very big.
The highest court in Spain has essentially ruled lockdowns unconstitutional (except under very exceptional, limited and hard to meet circumstances – i.e. not a so called pandemic).
The ramifications are enormous. Amongst them is that Spaniards cannot be locked down again.
You would think that for a site that is dedicated to fight the concept of lockdowns this would be a major news item.
If it is unconstitutional in Spain due to human rights legislation then surely it must be unconstitutional/ unlawful in all countries that have incorporated the European Convention on Human Rights into their own laws, including the rest of the EU and the U.K. ?
It is unconstitutional based on the Spanish constitution.
The constitutional court in Spain only assess compliance with the Spanish constitution. They have found that the government has not complied with the constitution in locking people down because they have violated a fundamental right enshrined in the Spanish constitution.
Which is why they have introduced the new emergency law, so that they will be able to do it again regardless.
Germany already did so in November when they ran into that obstacle and the government got fed up about a few dissident rulings.
The Portuguese judge’s comments recently went into the very same direction, but noone cared or cares about it anyway.
The courts have degenerated into mere theater.
From time to time they present a fig leaf, which is then duly shred.
No. That is incorrect. In order to do it again, they have to change the constitution.
The ruling makes anything the government does to lock people down – including new laws, which have a lower ranking than the the constitution – illegal.
Thank you for update and clarification. It seems more important than previous court decisions in Europe. I understand that one brave female Judge with close connection to the government PSOE party voted aginst “estado alerta” and thus secured the slim majority decision.
I am baffled that these judges, and in Portugal, have done their duty. While I admire their resolution and independence I cannot reason why they have not been bought as the British judiciary has.
lockdowns have served their purpose – vax passports are now a thing and the greatest threat to our lives – we need courts to rule forced vaccination and vax passports unconstitutional
I can’t believe Dr Craig hasn’t figured out that come the autumn it will be lockdown for the unvaccinated only. As one of the other news pieces covered, the Govt encouraging pretty much all businesses to use their vax pass system. Once that’s in place they can exclude the sane individuals and reduce the cycle threshold on testing.
Even if not.
This public will accept any future lockdown, as long as it gets some government handouts.
When it accepted the second one, that became a certainty.
DanClarke
4 years ago
The lunatics orchestrating this see a time when every citizen has a ‘Digital Wallet’ which holds every detail of your life, money, health, etc. They believe that they will be able to control us 100% through the digital wallet. The obsession is control, the 1% are afraid
You cannot hope to bribe or twist, thank God! the British journalist. But, seeing what the man will do unbribed, there’s no occasion to.
Humbert Wolfe, “Over the Fire”, in The Uncelestial City (1930).
If anything journolistism has got worse since then.
CANADIAN DOCTOR: 62% OF PATIENTS VACCINATED FOR COVID HAVE PERMANENT HEART DAMAGE (Caps in original) No way of knowing how accurate the numbers and speculations in this video are, though it’s clearly a cause for concern. The point about it for me, though, is this. Even if this doctor’s concerns turn out to be unfounded, this is an example of the kind of way in which mass injection of a new treatment with unknown long term consequences could have triggered a huge global health crisis, which would not necessarily be seen until considerable time had passed. Essentially this mass vaccination program represents a colossal panicked gamble with the health of the world population. It is not justified by a supposed emergency, because covid is not sufficiently dangerous in societal terms to justify any such emergency measures. and in any case we know the vaccine does not prevent the disease spreading, and so cannot contribute much to herd immunity. It is no defence to say that it’s alright to have done this if it turns out that these particular fears are unfounded. Taking a gamble with others’ health is not alright merely because you get away with it on this occasion.… Read more »
That’s got to be a plausible possibility. The issue is how many of them suffer significant damage from them. Some might be able to deal with it without undue damage.
The irony, even if you take the mainstream presumption of cockup/petty corruption rather than global conspiracy, is that the possibilities from mass vaccination are in some ways more scary than the disease itself ever could have been.
It’s not even as though it’s any defence that vaccination unlike disease is not infectious, when you are talking about numbers like 80+% vaccinated anyway.
This time they may get lucky but if this heralds a new age where vaccines are rushed out and used on a planetary scale then we only have to get unlucky once.
“It is no defence to say that it’s alright to have done this if it turns out that these particular fears are unfounded”
well put. It’s not ok to machine gun a crowd of people even if you are lucky enough to miss everyone
The injections are irreversible. They have clearly been designed to have a range of side-effects as are being noted in the Yellow Card and VAERS reports.
The side-effects will manifest between now and oh, probably 2030 in order to meet the deadline.
As the deaths will be so various it will be easy for TPTB to declare that they are NOT linked to the injections. And let’s not forget some other pathogen is probably on its way this Autumn just to maintain the momentum and kick off the death wave.
The push to get everyone vaccinated is certainly a way to make sure that whatever damage the vaccines cause cannot be attributed to the vaccines, because there will be almost no one to compare with.
So given how many people have ben stabbed already, not getting vaccinated is the single most important form of resistance that one can undertake. We need a big enough “control group” so that when the damages start manifesting themselves on the vaccinated, we – the unvaccinated – can be the living breathing proof that it was the vaccines that caused the damage.
Would need to know who is behind it – they might be well meaning, but there’s so much dodginess out there that it’s difficult to tell.
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KidFury
4 years ago
Went to a funeral yesterday, and was really pleased to see at least half the people not wearing masks inside. Considering this was for an 84yo, you can imagine the age of those in attendance. It was great to see. Speaking to lots of them, they pretty much all said that life is too short, they’ve had their jabs and this is as “safe” as they can get. They dont want to live off their days in masks. These are people who grew up in during the war, so they understand what real danger is.
It was lovely to see and hear.
Dame Lynet
4 years ago
The calm, lucid sanity of Clare Craig always leaves me uplifted.
Then the hysterical irrationality that seems to prevail brings me down again.
Rachel Marsden absolutely nailed it with her piece for RT.
The Torygraph headlines today on pubs, cars etc. indicate that we can also now just replace ‘France’ with ‘UK’.
We are, at most, a week behind them, in the deliberate obfuscation stage just before the official announcement one.
vlysander
4 years ago
Spiked showing its true colours. No vaccine should be mandated.
Spiked has always been like that. Wanting to seem “edgy” and to flout taboos, as long as they can do so safely without going too far into disreputability.
I’m feeling uplifted at the moment but recognise that we are moving into potentially the most dangerous phase, when the abuser realises their power over the abused is waning and steps up the level of abuse.
We all need to stay strong and prepare to separate from our abusers.
I’ve always been a glass half full person, unfortunately not something everyone can ‘take’.
I am uplifted by the Spanish court result, the riots in France, the fact that in 18 months I have only known 5 people to have covid, 3 after vaccination but my eldest daughter and her partner now have it 5-8 days in they are recovering and now have no need to get vaxxed as they’ve ‘officially’ had it.
Plenty to celebrate.
The reason I ask is because I have found that those of my friends who have hobbies, interests, passions, seem to be fared way better than those of them that don’t. I play musical instruments, pick locks, train martial arts, gym, cycle etc… I have lots to keep my mind and body busy, regardless of lockdowns. My wife, who has no hobbies, has really struggled, as have my friends. They seem to be be far more pessimistic, while I have been pretty stoic.
I agree with you, I paint, still early days but am improving. I garden, have dug two small ponds and created a veggie garden in the last 12 months while I was unable to access my other hobby, bowling. I also have young grandchildren which helps loads.
Delta variant, tiny number of ‘cases’ (108 in a day), rapid rise (+124% in a week), 40% of Australia population under stay-at-home orders, Victoria locks down tonight.
Tim Spector’s latest update
1 – new cases have plateaud
2 – new cases in unvaxxed decreased 22% in last week (to 17,581 daily)
3 – new cases in vaxxed increased 40 % last week (to 15,537 daily)
4 – cases in vaxxed likely to overtake unvaxxed in coming days
5 – the main concern now is long covid (LOL!)
You left out that the increase in vaxxed is very much among those with only one jab. Those with two jabs increasing much more slowly and maybe showing signs of levelling off.
Or perhaps the double-stabbed are also the most likely to be indefinitely bunkered-up in their homes, while many of the “vaccine”-resistant are out living their lives as close to normally as possible.
You forget that they introduced different reporting standards for the double vaxxed. In the US, even different ct numbers.
It’s deliberate manipulation and fraud, undertaken to fool people like you, and it works.
The Israeli data Gilad Atzmon presented suggests the very opposite and even worse: the extrapolation of the trends Spector presented here.
DanClarke
4 years ago
The lockdowns have not been tolerated by the majority anywhere after the first few weeks as people sussed out what was going on. The msm, financed by the government and ads want us to think they have.
Having just returned from a brief trip to the land of Nic Sturge On here’s a few thoughts. A tour of the Scottish National War Museum in Edinburgh castle gave ample evidence, if any more were indeed needed, of the bravery and strength of the Scots. This makes it even more depressing when you see how supine and sheepish they now appear to be. Their Dear Leader has really done a job on them. Wearing no masks, but with lanyards (it was a celebration and I didn’t need any confrontations), we transited through Gatwick, on to Easyjet, through Turnhouse and to our hotel with barely a second glance. Same for our 4 night stay. However things were different on the way back. We were confronted by a functionary as we checked in. ‘Do you have a mask?’. ‘Exempt’. ‘Do you have a medical certificate?’. ‘Don’t need one’. Apparently in EasyJet’s small print they’ve decided to override the elected Government. So just before boarding we nappied up. Then the farce began. After takeoff virtually everyone began ‘eating and drinking’. Strangely this seemed to last the entire flight! Never in the field of human imbibement has so little been drunk over such… Read more »
I repeat, public transport should be thought of in the same way as a cafe where you can remove your mask when sitting. Farcical yes, they are making fools of everyone who comply’s
Wikipedia co-founder: I no longer trust the website I created “you can trust it to give a reliably establishment point of view on pretty much everything” Frankly, I find it incredible that anyone who uses Wikipedia has not noticed that it is, like the BBC, an establishment propaganda organ. (Though at least Wikipedia isn’t funded by coerced payments from the people it indoctrinates). But this is a good interview, highlighting how gatekeeping came to police any deviation from Official Truth. Sanger refers to the core problem underlying the issues with both the BBC and Wikipedia (and the mainstream media in general), that neutrality was abandoned (explicitly.in many cases). Sayers: “is there not a sense when you look something up in an encyclopedia. that you want the establishment view..it’s a quick thing, you want to say what is the main establishment view on this topic that is sort of general consensus area?” Wikipedia is still useful for topics on which you want just that – uncontroversial technical or factual material. (Though in the modern US sphere it’s increasingly dangerous to assume that anything is necessarily uncontroversial, with identitarian and other zealots manipulating reality everywhere to push agendas). But on any more complex… Read more »
In some ways the most horrifying thing about the coronapanic is not the panic itself and all the attendant very deep harms currently being imposed, but it’s the fact that the panic is just an acceleration of a long term trend in various areas. It has pushed us forward by a few decades in that process, but we would have got here anyway, and knowing that means you realise that we may well not get back to 2019 in our lifetimes, that the panic won’t be seen anytime soon as a terrible aberration, because it’s really in keeping with the general direction of travel.
The only shred of optimism I can muster is that it has been so extreme that some people (like Sayers for example) might wake up and realise there are more general issues that need fixing.
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“Masks, screens and workplace bubbles”..
I thought those screens were dirty and helped spread germs! And masking is a filthy habit. (Happy anniversary for yesterday btw – “masks compulsory in shops”, 14/07/20).
As I’ve said before, dirty government scum.
“Restaurants, pubs urged to use vaxports”.
I thought businesses were just being “helped and supported” to use them (if they were a “larger venue”). Stuffing mission creep…
Gyms next
I’m just about to join a gym. First question will be about vaxx passports. If they come in I will cancel, so need to know the contract will allow it. Should do as it’s a change of T&Cs. It’s Bannatyne’s so I hope he will fight against passports too.
Haven’t they been really strict though? I heard they were making people wear masks and all sorts.
Bannatyne’s has been one of the worst for COVID militancy. You’d probably be better off finding a locally owned non-chain gym.
It’s the only one with a pool. I’m desperate to get back to swimming, it helps my back. Our local council run one is closed for redevelopment. Looks like I’ll have to make do with the sea, and find a way to get in past the stones…..pebbles and a bad back is not good.
mission creep to achieve agenda
“Surge in Winter viruses caused by immunity debt”.
So, any news on what has happened in places like South Dakota?
“Mandatory vaccinations not dystopian”……
Says Brendan O’ Neill. What the hell was Jacob Rees-Mogg thinking when he defended this man?
90% of Tory MPs voting for this tyranny? If that is the case, RickH, it is to that party’s lasting shame.
A lobotomy for Brendan O’Neill is not dystopian. If the ‘vaccines’ don’t work for the vulnerable residents, then how can they be expected to work for the workers?
The workers have better immune systems and it provides another layer of defence. You can’t really expect an old person in a care home to be wearing an FFP3 mask.
What’s disappointing is failing to demand that ventilation in care homes is improved and upgraded, but I suspect that is because we keep old people in appalling out of date buildings for the most part.
There are consequences to not being vaccinated. You still have the choice to do that, and others have the choice not to employ you. Just as if you have a facial tattoo, a scruffy beard or won’t wear a suit.
You can’t demand others do what you want them to do – not if you want to say to others you can’t force me to wear a mask.
Free speech and free choice isn’t freedom from consequences. Your freedoms depend entirely upon what we all collectively agree in a society. There are no God given rights, only ones granted by other humans.
Which humans exactly have been given this amazing power to bestow a right to live upon me?
Everybody else. Ultimately if everybody else get fed up with you then can rip you apart limb from limb and there is nothing you can do about it. As they found out in Iran in about 1979.
We’re reliant upon others and reliant upon coming to an accommodation with others by negotiation.
Human rights are granted by other humans. And they can take them away again just as easily. Which is why we have to win the belief war, otherwise an Iranesque society awaits us.
The only reason people are going along with this is because they have only been exposed to brainwashing and propaganda which tells them the jabs are all good, they’re all safe, there’s no issues, that they work just like any other vaccine – all of which is completely false. They have also been brainwashed into believing their life is in massive danger from Covid19 – more lies, and that the vaccine is “the only option”. So before any vaccine mandates are brought in (which should NEVER EVER HAPPEN), surely in a democracy like you describe where the people are king, it is only right that all the cards are laid out clearly on the table, with all the downsides advertised and propagandised as heavily and for as long as the so called (non-existent) benefits. So once people are in a position to make a genuinely informed choice, after months pf heavy propaganda to warn them of all the very real horrific outcomes in the short medium and long term, the fact it’s all experimental, the fact mRNA and coronavirus vaccines have all failed all animal trials over decades multiple times, plus the fact all the safe and effective drug treatments… Read more »
If the vaccines work, then elderly people in care homes are already protected. Or could it be that the vaccines don’t work?
It’s not black and white. Vaccines work by degree. Better in some than others. Better to have the protection than not.
But you don’t know until the bullet comes in and your system defeats it.
If what is being pumped into people actually were a vaccine I might agree with you, to a degree. However, it isn’t.
Moderna had the covid shot ready in 2019 before the pandemic was even noticed:
https://www.technocracy.news/mercola-moderna-had-specific-covid-19-mrna-shot-ready-in-2019-before-pandemic-was-announced/
But wearing a suit does not come with unknown risk nor does it have any permanent effect on your body.
I don’t have a problem with requiring vaccines in certain, exceptional, situations – I had my jabs when working in Kenya and Botswana – but they were jabs that had long since left the experimental stage and had years of data behind them.
There has been no credible data or risk-benefit analysis done of the effectiveness of forced vaccination in care homes, and no proper analysis of whether it will do much, or anything, to stop infections. A general glance at what is happening in heavily vaccinated populations like Israel suggests it will do the grand total of bugger all.
So your analogies are frankly nonsense – unless you can show taking experimental therapy with no historical clinical data behind it is no more risky or likely to cause severe anxiety than wearing a nice shirt.
Last time I checked tradesmen entering offices weren’t subject to dress codes either.
Tradesmen don’t get near the residents, asking for them to be vaxxed is 100% political.
“But wearing a suit does not come with unknown risk nor does it have any permanent effect on your body.”
A face tattoo does. A drink problem does. Not minding your Ps & Qs does.
Millions of people have been vaccinated with various Covid vaccine. That’s an awful lot of data now. Time to accept you’re being emotional – like the mask fanatics.
The vaccines could be better, and they will become better over time.
It’ not data it’s long term data. There is a reason why drug trials take so long. Six months worth of data is nothing in the grand scheme of things, especially when the adverse events database is showing neary 1500 deaths, and over a million adverse events. Some of these are far from trivial.
There is no doubt that, for a lot of people, these vaccines are more dangerous than covid ever would’ve been.
We should’ve protected the elderly and vulnerable, and then they should’ve been vaccinted if they wanted to be, and for everyone else we should’ve carried on as normal and let the virus pass through. The hospitals would’ve coped. But we panicked, and we are now in a mess we can’t get out of.
“especially when the adverse events database is showing neary 1500 deaths, and over a million adverse events. Some of these are far from trivial.”
They are relatively trivial when compared to the deaths and adverse events from Covid on a per 1000 basis. And blowing it out of proportion does nobody any good on either side.
It’s my view we’ve done as much as we can and we should just get back to normal. But it is pretty clear that panic is pushing leaders across the world to go back to rituals that don’t work but appease the population.
It’s a disturbing time, but the level of vaccine hysteria on these forums is just as disturbing. It’s the same self-conforming stroking between certain individuals convinced they are correct that you see from the mask fanatics on Reddit et al.
Reality is somewhere in the middle.
You’re a liar. In Portugal the authorities declared only 0.9% of the Covid deaths are actually Covid deaths. You won’t get this kind of admission from the lying filth that contros the UK, but that’s the reality. C19 is a nothing burger of a virus, but the vaxx harms are off the charts and the worst is yet to come. What kind of low grade human wants this for people?
I wont speak for others, but I am not blowing anything out of proportion, just sharing the ONS data. For me, I am not against vaccines, and have had all sorts to travel to all over the world. Both my kids are vaccinated. My issue is simply that I personally dont want to take a new vaccine for a disease I have already had and have natural immunity to, especially a novel one that has not even finished clinical trials. My second issue is that I do think anyone should be mandated or coerced into taking any medical treatment.
I agree there is hysteria on both sides!
The compounds being pumped into people’s arms by Big Pharma are not vaccines.
You are a Covidian. The most vulnerable group is that aged over eighty five and the last figures I saw gave the survival rate for those infected in that group as 99.32%.
There is no pandemic, that is a hoax supported by criminally unethical medics falsifying death certificates and misapplied tests that were not designed to detect viruses and run at cycles that are guaranteed to return false positive results.
Why do we all need to be vaccinated for a virus we are naturally immune to?
It doesn’t matter how many millions have been jabbed – you can’t buy time. We have no precedent or data to know long term effects, it’s fairly simple to understand.
Although I worry a little about your capacity for understanding when you say “tattoos have long term effect. Yes mate they do – but no one is forcing anyone to get a tattoo.
When you see someone who doesn’t even understand their own argument, that’s when you know you are dealing with Covidian.
I think his argument is that society forces people to not get tattoo’s. If they do, there are consequences.
He is right to a point. Society does regulate behaviour. And if we want to change path, then winning the ‘belief’ (as he put it) of society is crucial.
And if this was a legitimate vaccine (like a real inoculation) against something like a highly contagious strain of Ebola (just an example here), then choosing not to get vaccinated will have consequences too. Though you could apply the herd immunity theory still, in that if enough get vaccinated, what’s it matter to those few that decline?
To be fair, much of what he writes is correct. Where he lost it for me was when he claimed it was ‘Better to have the protection than not.’
It is down to interpretation of the data available (and to the data you know about), however it is becoming increasingly obvious that the protection you receive is negligible, with a serious chance of harm. With any potential long term harms completely unknown.
I don’t understand that if you have really looked at the data, why you would say “better to have the protection than not.”
Animal trials were scrapped because they all died – straight to human trials. Thank you for being the guinea pig, hope it works out for you.
What motivation could there possibly be for making them better?
I’m going to compete with you for the most downticks but for an opposing moral question, which is, why do we put our elderly relatives into care homes in the first place? Is it okay for Brendan to outsource the care of his theoretical elderly relative (his relative, his responsability?) and then expect his relative to be cared for by another human who has to be jabbed? I’m guessing a lot of people don’t want to wipe bottoms, don’t want to give up their lifestyle, don’t want to live with someone’s dementia. I can’t help thinking we shouldn’t have higher moral standards for others than we do for ourselves. Apologies to people here who do have relatives in homes, I don’ t think you are bad people in any event and in many cases there will be complex needs that couldn’t be handled in a domestic setting anyway. It’s just this jabby thing annoys me.
Currently I have 2 in the same care home, one perhaps temporary having respite with aim of returning home. I wouldn’t want any of the care workers who do not wish to have a vax to be forced. Infection control is much more complex than vaccination alone. Young carers should not be forced to have a vax with such unknown long term properties or give up their job. That is so terrible. Perhaps it’s natural I feel this way as I don’t want to be forced to take these vaccines.
It’s a lovely idea that families should look after their own elderly but families differ, some large and extended, some small with just one or two members. I am in the second category and that makes it impossible to care for someone with dementia and physical health decline. They need 24 hour care, hoists for moving and for bathing and some can be abusive.
Very thoughtful response, Wendy, I appreciate it. Indeed, when I think about it, sometimes it’s one half of an elderly couple who is in a home because understandably, their elderly other half can’t cope esp. if abuse or even violence involved.
That raises another moral question. Why am I responsible for somebody else, who I might not even like, just because I’m related to them by blood? How is that freedom?
Isn’t it the elderly’s job to insure their care in the market rather than expecting other people to look after them via some strange out of date code that no longer applies in the 21st century.
I kind of agree with you on that, at least in principle. I think my sticking point is this particular jab and its risk profile.
It depends how old you are. For me it is 1/16000 for Covid vs 1/60000 for the AZ jab.
Simple decision.
Well my sense is that as yet we don’t know how effective AZ or the other vaccines will be for anyone and forcing it on young people is abhorrent as is forcing it on anyone what ever their seeming risk.
The ONS did a care home antibody study last year, Vivaldi Study, and found covid antibodies in elder residents who had not been recorded as having an illness. Perhaps we can’t make a blanket generalisation about risk, maybe it will depend on individual susceptibility.
Well both my relatives are paying in full for their own care with their own money but both my relatives are not able to manage their money or wider affairs. They could not make an informed choice, search for a place to live and be cared for because of their declining mental and physical capacity.
As much as we would all like to think we can plan ahead and make decisions for our future care, sadly dementia takes away our ability to self care and to made plans. Many of us without extended family will need workers, perhaps a social worker, to help us. And my experience of the current systems of health and social care for my elderly relatives is that it is extremely lacking.
‘As much as we would all like to think we can plan ahead and make decisions for our future care, sadly dementia takes away our ability to self care and to made plans.’
As, too often in recent history, does the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
You are unbelievable and, although I hate to use the word, perhaps some sort of troll. You are responsible for your parents because they were responsible for you when, as a mewling brat, you were incapable of looking after yourself. The obligation to care for our parents in their dotage is bestowed on us at birth.
“You can’t demand others do what you want them to do – not if you want to say to others you can’t force me to wear a mask.” Funny, it seems to me you are making an apology here for doing exactly that. As far as I’m aware, this government is not leaving it up to care homes to decide. It is imposing a requirement. And if it is a matter of allowing employers to discriminate against those who refuse the vaccine, as was suggested would be the case for nightclubs, then what makes it acceptable to discriminate against those who haven’t fallen for the panic? You are willing to accept the destruction of such people’s lives and livelihoods, merely to add (supposedly) “another layer of defence”, against a disease that is not particularly dangerous or prevalent in the first place. “Free speech and free choice isn’t freedom from consequences. Your freedoms depend entirely upon what we all collectively agree in a society. There are no God given rights, only ones granted by other humans.” This is the case for the tyranny of the majority. People tend to love it, until they find they themselves, or some issue they regard… Read more »
“You are willing to accept the destruction of such people’s lives and livelihoods”
Why haven’t they destroyed their own livelihoods by refusing to conform to the requirements of employment? The choice not to be vaccinated is the individuals. The employer can just hire somebody else – since there are plenty of people in the market without work that want it. Most of them are vaccinated.
Presumably you’re not against the market allocating resources.
You don’t have the right of a living wage job in the UK. I’d be for that right, but quite a lot on the conservative wing appear to be against it for some reason. Perhaps they’ll be less against it in the future.
“This is the case for the tyranny of the majority.”
It’s not the case. It’s the reality. Minorities exist by the good grace of the majority. If that grace disappears the minority will be eliminated. And there isn’t a thing you can do about it. Lookup what ‘outlaw’ meant originally.
Welcome to humanity. Glorious isn’t it.
I might tend to agree with you if these vaccines actually stopped transmission, but they dont, and were designed to. So employers forcing staff to get a vaccine makes no sense at all. At best it will offer symptom reduction in the vaccinated, but is that seriously why they are mandating an experimental treatment?
Symptom reduction reduces shedding and the shedding period. They are not sterlisation vaccines, but the data from them leans towards a reduction in infectivity from the vaccinated.
Plus the elderly in the homes no doubt want to be attended by vaccinated people – probably in masks. That’s the reassurance argument again.
And keeping calling it an ‘experimental treatment’ when there have been millions vaccinated is pejorative and emotional. The experiment is over and the results are in.
“And keeping calling it an ‘experimental treatment’ when there have been millions vaccinated is pejorative and emotional. The experiment is over and the results are in.“
This is clearly an intentional falsehood on your part, as you know better by virtue even just of conversations I’ve seen you have on here.
It’s “experimental” by definition because it hasn’t completed the normal trials that we have required of such treatments. It was only released while still experimental because there was supposedly an “emergency” justification.
It’s also “experimental” because contrary to your false assertion here, we have not yet seen the consequences of mass vaccination.
“It’s also “experimental” because contrary to your false assertion here, we have not yet seen the consequences of mass vaccination.”
We can see it all around us. Millions vaccinated and a complete lack of piles of bodies – despite the naysayers on here prophesising doom.
There comes a point when you will have to accept you are wrong in your beliefs. Just as with the mask fanatics with whom you share the same lack of rationality and reasonableness I’m afraid.
When the facts change I change my mind.
Might not be piles of bodies, but I don’t see piles of bodies in the non-vulnerable from COVID either. Vaccination makes sense for the vulnerable and aged, for those who are neither the balance is far less obvious – and there are side effects which cannot be ignored. Vaccinate the vulnerable, should they want it, and move on. Nothing more to see.
“Vaccination makes sense for the vulnerable and aged, for those who are neither the balance is far less obvious – and there are side effects which cannot be ignored. “
The balance of risk is on the side of the vaccine down to about age 40. Below that less so.
It’s a punt either way. The riskless option is no longer available.
I’m not sure balance of risk matters. If my risk of dying from Covid is 1 in 38,000, those are such good odds, I don’t care if my odds of a life-changing AE from the jab is say only 1 in 100,000. Why take that smaller risk at all?
But look at swine flu in the 70’s, or thalidomide. I agree, the chances of taking this vaccine and dropping dead after a week or two are extremely small. However, what we dont know is the long term effects. How you could argue that i’ve no idea
“We can see it all around us. Millions vaccinated and a complete lack of piles of bodies – despite the naysayers on here prophesising doom.“
Surely you aren’t stupid enough (I use the term carefully here) to actually believe what you write there?
I mean, a child can understand that health consequences from subtle medical treatments can have long term effects that don’t show up for years.
Many of the elderly in the homes don’t have the capacity to make this decision. In the past a doctor would discuss whether or not to give the flu vaccine to a frail dementia sufferer with the view that flu might let them die and not prolong the suffering. This is not a discussion gps can currently have about the covid vaccines. Relatives have to give authorisation for the covid vaccine where a person does not have capacity and I know some did not give this though I did as my relatives when able to consent did have the flu vaccine so I made an assumption for them that they would wish to have the covid vaccine.
Laying in bed being fed and changed for years is hardly living and that was the last 2 years of my friends life before she died at age 70 with Alzheimer’s. We currently with our mental and physical faculties can fantasise about planning for our old age but when mental decline and dementia takes these faculties slowly it is not possible.
You assert that this is “the reality”, but it isn’t, in any culture that values liberal tolerance (almost all, to some degree). All such cultures have put limits on how far minorities can be suppressed or coerced to comply with majority ethics.
“Presumably you’re not against the market allocating resources.“
As pointed out, but you seem to be wilfully ignoring, this is nothing to do with the market, it’s state dictat.
“All such cultures have put limits on how far minorities can be suppressed or coerced to comply with majority ethics.”
Those limits change. See Iran for details.
“As pointed out, but you seem to be wilfully ignoring, this is nothing to do with the market, it’s state dictat.”
So is banning arsenic in the water supply. Or effluent in rivers. The state determines the parameters by which the market operates. It’s not a natural creation. It’s a creation of human beings via the social construction of a state which is the emanation of their collective will.
“Those limits change. See Iran for details.”
Why is Iran a relevant example?
(It isn’t, of course)
“So is banning arsenic in the water supply. Or effluent in rivers. The state determines the parameters by which the market operates. It’s not a natural creation. It’s a creation of human beings via the social construction of a state which is the emanation of their collective will.“
The issue here is your pretended refusal to accept limits on what the state can inflict on minorities. Of course, there is no serious reason to believe you actually support this, because I have no doubt that in other scenarios you would be loudly insisting on the wrongfulness of the state doing whatever it wanted with minorities.
There is a kind of profound hypocrisy in this kind of amoral posturing.
The state of course is not some kind of mystical “emanation” of a “collective will”. It’s just a structure in place to achieve certain goals – the rule of law and collective defence of the borders. The details are established by politics, in which people have differing degrees of influence.
Surely the point being missed here is that the animals in the experiments died when exposed to the wild virus. We are in the middle of summer, when respiratory viruses are in retreat. The time to judge the efficacy of the “vaccines” is next Spring, after the usual winter viruses have been through the population, and we have seen the effect of ADE ( the thing responsible for killing the animals in the initial trials).
The acknowledged adverse effects so far are in my view more than sufficient to cause all “vaccination” to cease. In any event there is no emergency and no justification the use of these products.
In my opinion, for what it is worth, we are witnessing a monstrous crime without precedent in peacetime history.
No they haven’t destroyed their own livelihoods, people like you have. This was not a requirement when they became carers but now you’re saying it is. That is just fundamentally wrong.
”Your freedoms depend entirely upon what we all collectively agree in a society.”
That is the fundamental issue at stake here.
On one hand there are the people very happy to live like ants; on the other hand there are people who expect to able to live like independent human beings. And before you respond with some silly comment, the vast majority of the second group accept that there have to be some simple limits put on behaviour for any society to exist and flourish.
The ‘hive’ is on top at the moment, its supported by AI of silicon valley, big pharma and finance looking to make $trillions from disruptive capitalism.
However humans have independant free will. Self awareness. It is not easily overcome for any length of time.
I wouldn’t want to be in the hive when the gas man cometh.
“However humans have independant free will.”
But not the independent capacity to survive. Your existence depends upon others. If they withdraw their support because you haven’t conformed to the group norms, you will die.
You managed to make the sort of silly comment I referred to, well done, so predictable.
There is a very very large difference between ‘group norms’ which is no different to mob rule, and the freedom to more or less anything constrained by sensible limitations agreed as representing the necessary limitations of anti-social behavour which would otherwise inhibit functional society.
My exostence depends on me, no-one else. I feel extremely sorry for you if you think otherwise.
If you wouldn’t do this for the flu – and manifestly we havn’t decided to do so for the flu, in normal times, despite the destruction it causes in care homes – and you wouldn’t do this for the other coronaviruses – despite the fact that even ‘common’ coronavirus infections can kill up to 10% of residents in a care home – then we shouldn’t do this for COVID-19.
I suspect they will from now on. Much as you require vaccinations to enter certain countries.
It’ll take them a while to be logically consistent. They are politicians after all.
The moral case hasn’t changed though. Frankly, something is gonna get those souls one day.
Yes and seeing these poor people in care homes I would say many would wish to be released from their decrepitude.
Unfortunately there is now talk in the UK of the need to test all the population for Flu this winter , to save our NHS of course.
It’s never going to end is it?
Brendan O’Neill gone right down in my estimation
Anyone like him, who doesn’t get the principle of inalienable individual rights, above all the one of bodily autonomy, and that they are trumping everything else, in particular pseudo-utilitarian goals set by a corrupted self-anointed elite and ruling cabal of politicians, ‘journalists’, ‘scientists’ and business leaders isn’t worth of any estimation anymore.
I think people advocating forced medical experimentation need to sign up for every trial for 5 years first.
Great comment!
Bloody great suggestion.
Seconded.
I pay a monthly subscription to ‘Spiked,’ and only last night I was questioning myself because frankly their coverage of C1984 has been pathetic. There is no analysis and a rather vague impression that they support the government. At its worst Spiked’s view on the Scamdemic is that it is a nasty irritant taking away from their much needed woke bashing.
Well, O’Neill has made the decision for me. I will be cancelling my subscription.
“Paris in flames as protesters fight vaxport”.
That’s the spirit! It was Manual Chevron that declared war on his people, dozy technocrat. Liberty and equality now!
Gotta love the French
A picture of Macron and His Beard against the wall Ceucescu style would get hung on my wall.
When all the mainstream media refuses to acknowledge dissent, even mass peaceful protest, there is literally only one way to make it so it can’t be ignored. My sincere hope is that the French are about to take that way.
I picked this up elsewhere. A striking similarity between Nazi Germany’s 1942 edicts about places French Jews could not enter and Macron’s latest edict about the nonvaxed.
It like a thread that runs through those who gain power
stuff me, people don’t change much, do they?
“EU Covid deaths double in 6 months following “vaccination” compared to 6 months before”.
Conclusions?
Here’s another link to add.
If you think you’re beyond being shocked by the Beeb’s lie factory, read this. Look in particular at the last bit, about the US:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-57796133
It’s talking about countries that have eased restrictions ( bad bad bad bad), and there is NO MENTION OF TEXAS, FLORIDA, OR SOUTH DAKOTA.
And all about cases, not deaths or hospitalisations – which was supposed to be the problem in the first place.
There will be cases. Lots of them. Because vaccination was never designed to eliminate cases, it was designed to reduce hospitalisations and deaths. Cases then get us to herd immunity like any other infection.
Once again mission creep has moved into hyper cleanliness – the hallmark of the hysterical.
I find it odd that Macron’s latest move to force vaccine apartheid and total control over tracking tracing and assigning a digital ID to every citizen (or face exclusion from life) is not the main focus of LS.
This is the greatest infringement of Frances rights since the Nazi occupation and this isn’t headlined. On top of this the massive street protests which need our support, because it’s coming here next.
Agreed. I suppose we all feared this was coming but the reality is still utterly shocking.
Yes that story is very conspicuous by its absence. Almost as if someone has been on the phone to Toby saying “cease and desist”.
Also on Bastille Day. Fraternite, Egalite, Liberte. Those that led La Revolution will be spinning in their graves.
Well the DT story on the government already ‘guiding’ pubs and restaurants towards it from next Monday indicates it’s already here!!!!!
It’s being done by stealth rather than overtly but I imagine most people will accept it without as much as a whimper.
“pre and post-vaccination mortality data from the European Union”
In the real world, epidemics follow a Gompertz curve and are all but over after a few weeks, because of herd immunity. In the parallel ‘reality’ of the BBC, the WHO, the lamestream press, YouTube censors, etc., natural immunity is “medical misinformation”, and the only immunity is that provided by untested injections, but bizarrely the injections coincide with increased mortality and a never-ending “pandemic”.
The Jabs don’t work, they just make things worse.
You tolerated this so now your children will be next, will be next, will be next.
I am rather surprised the LS has put the Spanish Constitutional Court ruling in its round up section and not as a major item. The news is very big.
The highest court in Spain has essentially ruled lockdowns unconstitutional (except under very exceptional, limited and hard to meet circumstances – i.e. not a so called pandemic).
The ramifications are enormous. Amongst them is that Spaniards cannot be locked down again.
You would think that for a site that is dedicated to fight the concept of lockdowns this would be a major news item.
If it is unconstitutional in Spain due to human rights legislation then surely it must be unconstitutional/ unlawful in all countries that have incorporated the European Convention on Human Rights into their own laws, including the rest of the EU and the U.K. ?
It is unconstitutional based on the Spanish constitution.
The constitutional court in Spain only assess compliance with the Spanish constitution. They have found that the government has not complied with the constitution in locking people down because they have violated a fundamental right enshrined in the Spanish constitution.
Which is why they have introduced the new emergency law, so that they will be able to do it again regardless.
Germany already did so in November when they ran into that obstacle and the government got fed up about a few dissident rulings.
The Portuguese judge’s comments recently went into the very same direction, but noone cared or cares about it anyway.
The courts have degenerated into mere theater.
From time to time they present a fig leaf, which is then duly shred.
No. That is incorrect. In order to do it again, they have to change the constitution.
The ruling makes anything the government does to lock people down – including new laws, which have a lower ranking than the the constitution – illegal.
This is no small thing that has occurred.
Thank you for update and clarification. It seems more important than previous court decisions in Europe. I understand that one brave female Judge with close connection to the government PSOE party voted aginst “estado alerta” and thus secured the slim majority decision.
Yes. It was 5-5 and she was the tie breaker. Very gutsy.
I am baffled that these judges, and in Portugal, have done their duty. While I admire their resolution and independence I cannot reason why they have not been bought as the British judiciary has.
lockdowns have served their purpose – vax passports are now a thing and the greatest threat to our lives – we need courts to rule forced vaccination and vax passports unconstitutional
I can’t believe Dr Craig hasn’t figured out that come the autumn it will be lockdown for the unvaccinated only. As one of the other news pieces covered, the Govt encouraging pretty much all businesses to use their vax pass system. Once that’s in place they can exclude the sane individuals and reduce the cycle threshold on testing.
Voila, covid gone, unclean excluded!
So those who cannot, for health reasons, have the vax will have their social life cancelled?
All those that have not been vaccinated must carry a bell and shout unclean when approached by another person.
Still, at least we can recognise other “uncleans.”
Or wear a yellow star, pink triangle … whatever humiliating identification mark they can think of. No jabs for me thank you.
Even if not.
This public will accept any future lockdown, as long as it gets some government handouts.
When it accepted the second one, that became a certainty.
The lunatics orchestrating this see a time when every citizen has a ‘Digital Wallet’ which holds every detail of your life, money, health, etc. They believe that they will be able to control us 100% through the digital wallet. The obsession is control, the 1% are afraid
They should be.
What happened on the yacht didn’t stay on the yacht.
More investigative reporters please
You cannot hope to bribe or twist, thank God! the British journalist. But, seeing what the man will do unbribed, there’s no occasion to.
Humbert Wolfe, “Over the Fire”, in The Uncelestial City (1930).
If anything journolistism has got worse since then.
Will you explain that cryptic reference for those of us who know nothing about it? I’m curious.
CANADIAN DOCTOR: 62% OF PATIENTS VACCINATED FOR COVID HAVE PERMANENT HEART DAMAGE (Caps in original) No way of knowing how accurate the numbers and speculations in this video are, though it’s clearly a cause for concern. The point about it for me, though, is this. Even if this doctor’s concerns turn out to be unfounded, this is an example of the kind of way in which mass injection of a new treatment with unknown long term consequences could have triggered a huge global health crisis, which would not necessarily be seen until considerable time had passed. Essentially this mass vaccination program represents a colossal panicked gamble with the health of the world population. It is not justified by a supposed emergency, because covid is not sufficiently dangerous in societal terms to justify any such emergency measures. and in any case we know the vaccine does not prevent the disease spreading, and so cannot contribute much to herd immunity. It is no defence to say that it’s alright to have done this if it turns out that these particular fears are unfounded. Taking a gamble with others’ health is not alright merely because you get away with it on this occasion.… Read more »
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/christian-eriksen-cardiac-arrest-denmark-24308969
I think EVERYONE taking a jab gets clots
That’s got to be a plausible possibility. The issue is how many of them suffer significant damage from them. Some might be able to deal with it without undue damage.
That is the current theory.
https://fyi.com/news/unreported/alarming-doctor-says-mrna-vaccines-will-kill-most-people-through-heart-failure-62-already-showing-microscopic-blood-clots/
That player didnt have the mRNA pseudo vaccine.
Was the young British female tennis player jabbed? she had shortness of breath, too. this is all going to go so horribly wrong it’s scary
The irony, even if you take the mainstream presumption of cockup/petty corruption rather than global conspiracy, is that the possibilities from mass vaccination are in some ways more scary than the disease itself ever could have been.
It’s not even as though it’s any defence that vaccination unlike disease is not infectious, when you are talking about numbers like 80+% vaccinated anyway.
I agree 100%
This time they may get lucky but if this heralds a new age where vaccines are rushed out and used on a planetary scale then we only have to get unlucky once.
“It is no defence to say that it’s alright to have done this if it turns out that these particular fears are unfounded”
well put. It’s not ok to machine gun a crowd of people even if you are lucky enough to miss everyone
The injections are irreversible. They have clearly been designed to have a range of side-effects as are being noted in the Yellow Card and VAERS reports.
The side-effects will manifest between now and oh, probably 2030 in order to meet the deadline.
As the deaths will be so various it will be easy for TPTB to declare that they are NOT linked to the injections. And let’s not forget some other pathogen is probably on its way this Autumn just to maintain the momentum and kick off the death wave.
Genocide.
The push to get everyone vaccinated is certainly a way to make sure that whatever damage the vaccines cause cannot be attributed to the vaccines, because there will be almost no one to compare with.
So given how many people have ben stabbed already, not getting vaccinated is the single most important form of resistance that one can undertake. We need a big enough “control group” so that when the damages start manifesting themselves on the vaccinated, we – the unvaccinated – can be the living breathing proof that it was the vaccines that caused the damage.
Absolutely this ♤♤♤
We found this…..but wasn’t sure what to make of it/trust it?
https://www.vaxcontrolgroup.com/about.html
Would need to know who is behind it – they might be well meaning, but there’s so much dodginess out there that it’s difficult to tell.
Went to a funeral yesterday, and was really pleased to see at least half the people not wearing masks inside. Considering this was for an 84yo, you can imagine the age of those in attendance. It was great to see. Speaking to lots of them, they pretty much all said that life is too short, they’ve had their jabs and this is as “safe” as they can get. They dont want to live off their days in masks. These are people who grew up in during the war, so they understand what real danger is.
It was lovely to see and hear.
The calm, lucid sanity of Clare Craig always leaves me uplifted.
Then the hysterical irrationality that seems to prevail brings me down again.
Rachel Marsden absolutely nailed it with her piece for RT.
The Torygraph headlines today on pubs, cars etc. indicate that we can also now just replace ‘France’ with ‘UK’.
We are, at most, a week behind them, in the deliberate obfuscation stage just before the official announcement one.
Spiked showing its true colours. No vaccine should be mandated.
Spiked has always been like that. Wanting to seem “edgy” and to flout taboos, as long as they can do so safely without going too far into disreputability.
I’m feeling uplifted at the moment but recognise that we are moving into potentially the most dangerous phase, when the abuser realises their power over the abused is waning and steps up the level of abuse.
We all need to stay strong and prepare to separate from our abusers.
Its our duty, for The Science
‘Uplifted’, eh? I think I need some of what you have been taking!
I’ve always been a glass half full person, unfortunately not something everyone can ‘take’.
I am uplifted by the Spanish court result, the riots in France, the fact that in 18 months I have only known 5 people to have covid, 3 after vaccination but my eldest daughter and her partner now have it 5-8 days in they are recovering and now have no need to get vaxxed as they’ve ‘officially’ had it.
Plenty to celebrate.
May I ask, are you someone who has hobbies?
The reason I ask is because I have found that those of my friends who have hobbies, interests, passions, seem to be fared way better than those of them that don’t. I play musical instruments, pick locks, train martial arts, gym, cycle etc… I have lots to keep my mind and body busy, regardless of lockdowns. My wife, who has no hobbies, has really struggled, as have my friends. They seem to be be far more pessimistic, while I have been pretty stoic.
I agree with you, I paint, still early days but am improving. I garden, have dug two small ponds and created a veggie garden in the last 12 months while I was unable to access my other hobby, bowling. I also have young grandchildren which helps loads.
Wow that’s great!
“If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need.”
Marcus Tullius Cicero
Thanks, Cicero was right 😊
Totally agree, to have a passion is a wonderful thing. I dot around different hobbies but always have something ongoing to keep my mind occupied
Australia is one to watch
https://www.smh.com.au/national/covid-19-data-centre-coronavirus-by-the-numbers-20200401-p54g4w.html?permanent_redirect=true
Delta variant, tiny number of ‘cases’ (108 in a day), rapid rise (+124% in a week), 40% of Australia population under stay-at-home orders, Victoria locks down tonight.
https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/new-cases-plateau-aead-of-freedom-day
Tim Spector’s latest update
1 – new cases have plateaud
2 – new cases in unvaxxed decreased 22% in last week (to 17,581 daily)
3 – new cases in vaxxed increased 40 % last week (to 15,537 daily)
4 – cases in vaxxed likely to overtake unvaxxed in coming days
5 – the main concern now is long covid (LOL!)
You left out that the increase in vaxxed is very much among those with only one jab. Those with two jabs increasing much more slowly and maybe showing signs of levelling off.
Or perhaps the double-stabbed are also the most likely to be indefinitely bunkered-up in their homes, while many of the “vaccine”-resistant are out living their lives as close to normally as possible.
You forget that they introduced different reporting standards for the double vaxxed. In the US, even different ct numbers.
It’s deliberate manipulation and fraud, undertaken to fool people like you, and it works.
The Israeli data Gilad Atzmon presented suggests the very opposite and even worse: the extrapolation of the trends Spector presented here.
The lockdowns have not been tolerated by the majority anywhere after the first few weeks as people sussed out what was going on. The msm, financed by the government and ads want us to think they have.
Having just returned from a brief trip to the land of Nic Sturge On here’s a few thoughts. A tour of the Scottish National War Museum in Edinburgh castle gave ample evidence, if any more were indeed needed, of the bravery and strength of the Scots. This makes it even more depressing when you see how supine and sheepish they now appear to be. Their Dear Leader has really done a job on them. Wearing no masks, but with lanyards (it was a celebration and I didn’t need any confrontations), we transited through Gatwick, on to Easyjet, through Turnhouse and to our hotel with barely a second glance. Same for our 4 night stay. However things were different on the way back. We were confronted by a functionary as we checked in. ‘Do you have a mask?’. ‘Exempt’. ‘Do you have a medical certificate?’. ‘Don’t need one’. Apparently in EasyJet’s small print they’ve decided to override the elected Government. So just before boarding we nappied up. Then the farce began. After takeoff virtually everyone began ‘eating and drinking’. Strangely this seemed to last the entire flight! Never in the field of human imbibement has so little been drunk over such… Read more »
I repeat, public transport should be thought of in the same way as a cafe where you can remove your mask when sitting. Farcical yes, they are making fools of everyone who comply’s
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57839990
Another set of imbeciles that can fuck off.
Wikipedia co-founder: I no longer trust the website I created “you can trust it to give a reliably establishment point of view on pretty much everything” Frankly, I find it incredible that anyone who uses Wikipedia has not noticed that it is, like the BBC, an establishment propaganda organ. (Though at least Wikipedia isn’t funded by coerced payments from the people it indoctrinates). But this is a good interview, highlighting how gatekeeping came to police any deviation from Official Truth. Sanger refers to the core problem underlying the issues with both the BBC and Wikipedia (and the mainstream media in general), that neutrality was abandoned (explicitly.in many cases). Sayers: “is there not a sense when you look something up in an encyclopedia. that you want the establishment view..it’s a quick thing, you want to say what is the main establishment view on this topic that is sort of general consensus area?” Wikipedia is still useful for topics on which you want just that – uncontroversial technical or factual material. (Though in the modern US sphere it’s increasingly dangerous to assume that anything is necessarily uncontroversial, with identitarian and other zealots manipulating reality everywhere to push agendas). But on any more complex… Read more »
In some ways the most horrifying thing about the coronapanic is not the panic itself and all the attendant very deep harms currently being imposed, but it’s the fact that the panic is just an acceleration of a long term trend in various areas. It has pushed us forward by a few decades in that process, but we would have got here anyway, and knowing that means you realise that we may well not get back to 2019 in our lifetimes, that the panic won’t be seen anytime soon as a terrible aberration, because it’s really in keeping with the general direction of travel.
The only shred of optimism I can muster is that it has been so extreme that some people (like Sayers for example) might wake up and realise there are more general issues that need fixing.
Let’s hope so…
Dr Craig does not at all explain why people would not tolerate another lockdown.
Wishful thinking.
As long as they get furlough dough, they’ll accept anything.
Brendan O’Neill in Spiked would be correct if the vaccines were fully approved. But they are not, they are ’emergency’ only and therefore he is wrong.
*Sigh* If only that were true.
This is a good one. It’s for the UK cup. Wish they make one for the world cup.
https://twitter.com/APintOfPolitics/status/1415417626004762625/photo/1
https://www.francesoir.fr/videos-les-debriefings/analyse-des-assertions-scientifiques-macron-mccullough
Peter McCullough demolishing Macron’;s claims on the necessity of nationwide mandatory vaccination.