Professor David Livermore: 4,000 Deaths a Day Implausible

David Livermore, Professor of Medical Microbiology at the University of East Anglia, has told Lockdown Sceptics he cannot see how Covid deaths could possibly reach 4,000 a day, the number Sir Patrick Vallance flagged up on Saturday.
In an email exchange with me and Jon Dobinson, the head of Recovery, he made a number of good points.
- 4,000/day is three times higher than the peak rate for Brazil, which has a population three times greater than the UK’s and a pretty laissez faire attitude to the spread of COVID-19
- 4,000/day is three times the peak for India, which relaxed a (failing) lockdown in the teeth of a rising infection rate back in May or June. Admittedly, India has a younger population and one with (likely) a lot more non-specific immunity, but it also has a population that’s 20 times larger than the UK’s.
- SAGE, in the document leaked to the Spectator (estimating 85,000 deaths through the winter) is working on an infection fatality rate of 0.7%. So, 4,000/day translates to ~570,000 infections per day (4,000/0.007) some three to four weeks earlier, or around four million per week. If you use the Stanford IFR of 0.25, it’d equate to 1,600,000 infections per day or 11.2 million per week Given that the SAGE document also (rightly in my view) opines that early reinfection is v. unlikely, such death rates, in the unlikely event that they were to occur, are not sustainable.
- In the NHS data presented at the press conference, the health service was on course to exceed the currently available number of beds on November 23rd. Lockdown 2 starts on November 5th, therefore new infections acquired on or before November should continue to result in hospital admissions for a further ~14-16 days (six days for symptom onset and eight days for the tiny percentage of those who are infected who require hospital care to be admitted to hospital). So even if lockdown 2.0 reduces transmission, it still won’t have an impact for between 14-16 days, i.e. November 18th–20th. By that date, it should be obvious whether the NHS is three-to-five days away from being overwhelmed. If it does look that way, lockdown sceptics will look very silly; if it doesn’t…
- According to the above graph, the peak in deaths will occur in the earliest days of December – say the 4th. We know that that the time between infection and death with COVID-19 is typically about 22-26 days (the 14-16 days to hospital admission, then another 8-10 to death). Therefore, people dying on December 4th would have become infected on November 8th-12th. If you accept SAGE’s IFR of 0.7%, that would mean there would need to be 570,000 infections per day by November 8th-12th. That’s quite a leap, given that the highest current estimate (Imperial) is 96,000 per day, doubling every nine days. Even on Imperial’s estimate, you would only get 200,000 infections per day by November 9th, or about one third of what is needed for 4,000 deaths per day by December 4th. Needless to say, estimates of current infections by the ONS and Kings College London are about half those of Imperial, with longer doubling times, meaning that they are even more impossible to reconcile with the Cambridge/PHE death plot.
- The figure of 4,000 deaths per day becomes even more implausible if you assume an IFR of 0.25 (Ioannidis) rather than 0.7%. If you plug that assumption in, you need 1.6 million infections per day by November 9th to give 4,000 deaths per day by December 4th.
- It might be argued that you get 4,000 deaths per day because, by December 4th, the NHS has been overwhelmed, leading to deaths of critically ill patients who would otherwise survive. But this has not been stated to be an assumption.
- As you can see from the above graph, the blue line – based on PHE/Cambridge’s model – shows ~1,000 deaths a day at the end of October/beginning of November, whereas the average for the past seven days has been 260, with no single day above 361.
- As Prof Carl Heneghan says, the PHE/Cambridge model’s estimate of daily deaths is about four times too high.
Stop Press: A Lockdown Sceptics reader has created a petition calling on the Government to publish the modelling that says deaths will reach 4,000/day. Sign it here.
Professor Carl Heneghan: SAGE’s Scenarios Out By Significant Amount

Prof Carl Heneghan was scathing about Chris Whitty and Patric Vallance’s Covid “doomsday predictions” on Julia Hartley-Brewer’s talkRADIO programme yesterday. He pointed out that:
- The data from the Cambridge statistical unit that the Chief Scientific Officer relied on was three weeks out of date. More recent data from the same unit is less apocalyptic. Why didn’t he use that?
- The PHE/Cambridge model predicted 1,000 people a day would die by November 1st. They’re not. Therefore the model is invalid.
- Prof Tim Spector’s KCL data is showing infections are “flatlining across the board”.
- The Government has focused too much on worst case scenarios.
- Government policy isn’t guided by the evidence; rather, it is massaging the evidence to justify the policy.
- The Government is ignoring the costs of lockdowns, both economically and in terms of non-Covid deaths.
- The PCR test identifies people as “positive” if they’ve had the virus three or four weeks ago and are no longer infectious.
- If we go into a second lockdown, what’s the exit strategy? In Cornwall, for instance, there are only about 40 cases/day (out of a population of ~566,000), yet Cornwall is being forced to go into lockdown. So how low do case numbers have to be before we can come out of the lockdown?
- Yes, the NHS is running at about 90-95% capacity, but that’s normal for this time of year. Why the panic?
Worth watching in full.
Stop Press: Carl Heneghan and Daniel Howdon go into more detail about what’s wrong with SAGE’s doom forecasts on the CEBM blog.
Ross Clark: Boffins Cherry-Picked Data to Frighten Us

Ross Clark has done a demolition job on Witless and Unbalanced’s slides in the Mail.
Take the heat map, for instance (see above). Ross points out that only 29 hospitals are shown on the slide, but the full dataset, published by NHS England, actually includes 482 NHS and private hospitals in England – at least 232 of which (and probably more as some entries were left blank) had not a single COVID-19 patient on October 27th. Hardly surprising since official figures showed there were 9,213 patients in hospital with the disease on October 31st, compared with 17,172 at the spring peak.
Here’s what the map would have looked like if it had included all 482 hospitals.

Ross continues in the same vein, showing how the data were manipulated in nearly all the charts.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: As Boris Johnson was trying to quell the rebellion in his own ranks in the House of Commons yesterday, the news broke that the UK had recorded the fewest daily infections in a fortnight. Department of Health figures showed 18,950 people tested positive for the disease on November 2nd – down 9.3% in a week and the lowest since Monday, October 19th (18,804). The UK also saw another 136 coronavirus deaths yesterday, down from 326 on Saturday.
Mathematician: 4,000 Deaths a Day Doesn’t Add Up

A reader has passed on an analysis of the “Winter Scenarios” graph (above) by a mathematician friend of his. The mathmo makes a good point.
Something was bothering me about Vallance’s graph that shows 4,000 deaths a day.
The 4k a day is the solid blue line projection.
I estimated the total deaths from Nov-Feb from that blue line at, roughly, 210,000 (triangular approximation most likely low).
Using the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine’s estimate of the infection fatality rate as being 0.3-0.49%, that suggests between 43-70 million infections when the entire population is only 56 million (some of whom have already had it!!).
Am I missing something here??
Witless and Unbalanced to be Grilled in Parliament Today

Let’s hope Chris Whitty and Patric Vallance are asked about their dodgy data when they appear before the Science and Technology Select Committee in the House of Commons today. You can watch the proceedings live here. Kick off is at 2.30pm. The Telegraph has a preview.
Sir Patrick Vallance and Professor Chris Whitty have been summoned before MPs to explain the evidence for a national lockdown, after their 4,000 deaths figure was questioned by scientists.
The pair will face the Science and Technology Select Committee on Tuesday afternoon, amid mounting concern that the graphs shown at a press conference on Saturday evening were out-of-date and alarmist.
Modelling presented by Sir Patrick, the government’s Chief Scientific Advisor, showed that under a worst case scenario 4,000 deaths-a-day could occur by December 20th – four times more than the worst day of the first peak.
However, the forecast was compiled on October 9th, five days before new tier restrictions came into effect, and researchers at Oxford University pointed out that if the modelling had been correct, deaths would now be around 1,000-a-day.
Instead, the current rolling seven day average is around 265 and Monday’s death figure was just 136.
It has since emerged that the modelling was based on an ‘R’ rate of 1.3 to 1.5 and shown despite the Government publishing a rate of between 1.1 and 1.3 the day before the press conference.
Yesterday the Government Office for Science refused to release the key to the graph explaining which groups had modelled the varying scenarios, or what parameters had been used, saying “relevant papers would be published shortly”.
Science Committee Chairman Greg Clark said: “This is an important moment in the handling of the pandemic. Parliament must have the chance to understand and question the evidence and rationale behind the new restrictions in advance of Wednesday’s debate and vote.
“I am grateful to Sir Patrick Vallance and Professor Chris Whitty for having agreed immediately to my request to appear before the science and technology committee on Tuesday.”
Second Lockdown Will Wipe 12% Off GDP

Public borrowing this year is expected to surge above £400 billion as the second lockdown is likely to produce another contraction, according to a group of economists. The Telegraph has more.
Thousands of businesses are braced for a “truly devastating” blow from Boris Johnson’s second lockdown amid fears that the economy will collapse 12% this month.
Britain is teetering on the brink of a dreaded double-dip recession following the Prime Minister’s ban on household mixing and non-essential travel coupled with mass pub and restaurant closures, experts at the National Institute of Economic and Social Research (Niesr) warned.
It is thought that the new measures to contain the spread of Covid will cost taxpayers billions of pounds, destroy swathes of companies and put millions of jobs at risk.
Dame Carolyn Fairbairn, director general of the Confederation of British Industry, said the crackdown is ” truly devastating for business, for retailers, for manufacturers, for companies who have invested millions in making their factories and their workplaces Covid-safe”.
Around 90% of the recovery in hospitality firms since the summer could be wiped out, according to Niesr, while most other industries will lose roughly half of the hard-earned growth they have clawed back since the first lockdown.
Niesr expects a 12% drop in GDP in November – the second biggest monthly fall on record, behind only April when the last lockdown came in – with the economy shrinking more than more than 3% from already low levels in the final quarter of the year overall.
It accused ministers of a chaotic approach to Covid which has left firms unable to plan ahead and repeatedly undermined hopes of a bounceback.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Boris snubbed the CBI yesterday by cancelling an appearance at its annual conference and sending Alok Sharma in his place. As Ben Marlow in the Telegraph notes, “even a 10-minute Zoom call and a waffly speech knocked up overnight by a junior script-writer about how the Government was “standing side by side” with business, or some equally empty platitude, would have been better than nothing”. You can watch Carolyn Fairbairn, the outgoing head of the CBI, describe just how painful the second lockdown will be for business here.
Liverpool is First City to be Tested in “Moonshot” Programme – Yet Infections Are Falling

Soldiers were spotted on the streets of Liverpool yesterday, gearing up for mass testing on Friday. The Times has more.
From this week, everyone living and working in the city will be offered repeated tests with 2,000 armed forces personnel being deployed to set up and run new testing centres.
If successful the pilot will be extended across the country with the aim of distributing millions of 15-minute tests as Britain comes out of the latest lockdown in December. One senior figure involved in the programme said the aspiration was to offer all Britons a test in time for Christmas.
The Liverpool trial has been made possible by the approval of four new types of instant Covid tests that do not need to be processed in a laboratory and can be used in homes, schools or small testing centres. The Government has already bought millions of the tests and in the past week published air charter contracts worth more than £2 million to ship in supplies from China and South Korea.
With as many as seven in 10 infections asymptomatic, ministers believe that nationwide screening is the only way of living with the virus until a vaccine is found. They are also rehiring thousands of contact tracers to cope with the additional cases expected.
Part of the rationale for mass testing is that it will identify asymptomatic carriers and they will be forced to self-isolate for 14 days, thereby reducing the risk that they’ll infect anyone. But according to the WHO, there’s very little evidence that asymptomatic carriers can transmit the disease. At a WHO press conference on June 8th, Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s technical lead on COVID-19, said:
We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing. They’re following asymptomatic cases, they’re following contacts and they’re not finding secondary transmission onward. It’s very rare and much of that is not published in the literature.
And why is Liverpool the first city to be used in this experiment, given that the number of daily cases in the city is falling? If the Government is trying to persuade us that the traffic light system isn’t working, putting Liverpool in the spotlight is unwise since it shows that placing the city in Tier 3, which happened on October 14th, has significantly reduced the R number.
An Island Prison Camp

I got a disturbing note from a reader today about how some people would dearly love to transform our island into a prison camp.
Today I had to drive my wife to Lincoln Hospital for an eye appointment (a miracle in itself). I took a turn round the city while waiting and popped into a shop.
I listened with fascination as the proprietor (in his 60s) regaled a chum with how his NHS nurse son nearly resigned last week in protest at his ward being made a Covid ward and because the families of three Covid patients had had the temerity to ask to see their relative in hospital.
He added that his NHS son thinks it’s entirely the public’s fault the virus has come back because they’re not obeying the rules. He went on: ‘The armed services are sitting around on their backsides doing nothing. They should be on the streets. That’d sort the virus out.” Yes, of course it would – how stupid of everyone else not to have thought of that magic solution!
Perhaps we should be grateful the Government is as incompetent as it is because otherwise it could make serious use of stooges like this chap to turn the country into a prison island overnight. It struck me as a short leap to shooting people and hanging them from lamp posts for not ‘obeying the rules’. And thank God the Nazis didn’t invade in 1940 because you can really see just how easy a ride some plucky Brits would have given them.
T-Cell Immunity Lasts At Least Six Months

A new study has found that people who’ve been infected with Covid and recovered have immunity via T-cells, even if they don’t have antibodies. The Guardian has more.
Cellular (T-cell) immunity against the virus that causes COVID-19 is likely to be present within most adults six months after primary infection, with levels considerably higher in patients with symptoms, a study suggests.
The data offers another piece of the puzzle that could be key to understanding whether previous Sars-CoV-2 infections – the virus behind COVID-19 – can prevent reinfection, and if so, for how long.
The study, led by the UK coronavirus immunology consortium, evaluated 100 non-hospitalised healthcare workers in March and April after antibody responses were detected in them. It is yet to be peer-reviewed.
It is the first study to offer data on T-cell levels six months after infection in people with mild or asymptomatic disease that is likely to represent the majority of infections, the authors say.
The results of the study are likely to be viewed positively, after previous studies suggested antibody levels can decline within the first few months post-infection.
Worth reading in full.
Pro-Remain Group Smears Farage’s New Party
A reader has passed on an email he received from Stay European, an anti-Brexit group, smearing Reform UK, Nigel Farage and Richard Tice’s new political party.
Nigel Farage relaunching his Brexit Party as an anti-lockdown party is an incredibly dangerous moment.
The resources – media profile, support base, dark money – that were used to push through the Brexit disaster are now being used to deny the reality of coronavirus, and try to force a premature end to lockdown.
If he is successful, this could cost many thousands of lives. We need to take action now to stop him.
I want to take action to stop Farage.
I’ll make a donation.
Farage and ‘Reform UK’ are now actively spreading fake news about Covid-19, calling for a ‘herd immunity’ policy. This goes beyond political disagreement – it is a literal matter of life and death.
We do not believe that a party whose sole aim is to spread disinformation about a pandemic is a legitimate political party.
There are no elections any time soon – their plan is, instead, to fuel coronavirus denial on TV and online. So we plan to challenge every media outlet, including social media, that gives a platform to this danger to public health.
I’ll take action against Farage.
I’ll fund the fight.
If you press the ‘take action’ button, we’ll be in touch with action alerts on what you can do to help stop Farage.
Thank you for supporting Stay European.
Another reader, who is pro-Remain but anti-lockdown, received the same email and wasn’t impressed.
That they should try to get me to support a campaign against a possible anti-lockdown candidate is particularly ironic. My reason for being a Remainer was I liked the fact that the EU courts often, back in what seem such distant times now, blocked Whitehall’s attempts to increase the British Government’s dangerous authoritarian surveillance and policing powers. I was a Remainer because I considered the EU better for libertarianism than Whitehall. I was of course pretty surprised when the EU courts didn’t ban the lockdown the moment Boris started it, and that was the moment the EU stopped really mattering much to me. Much as I still consider Farage a very unpalatable individual, now that he’s standing for an anti-lockdown cause I could quite likely vote for him – “quite likely” becoming “certainly” if no other parties are anti-lockdown when I next get hold of a ballot paper.
In sending a mass email like that, Stay European has decided that it doesn’t believe people can be both pro-European and anti-lockdown. I think plenty of people who hold both viewpoints are now deciding which one they care more about hanging on to. What It is doing here is undermining the pro-European cause in favour of advertising their conformist views about this panicdemic. If anyone in Grimsby or Workington was inclined to vote for a pro-EU party at the next election, what Stay European has just done is conflate supporting close ties with the EU with the lockdown ideology which is decimating the economies of such towns.
If other pro-European campaigns follow this foolish example then this will be how Remainerism is utterly ended as a political movement. A shame, thinks the Remainer in me, but I’ve bigger things to worry about now. Today the thing which I most want to remain is “not in lockdown”
It Won’t Take Much to Change People’s Minds

A reader has written to us with a heart-warming story about how easy he found it to change people’s attitudes towards mask-wearing.
I too despair when I read polls suggesting that most of the population is pro-lockdown. However, my experience suggests that it wouldn’t take much to change people’s minds.
I’ve just finished the season at a popular heritage site where my role has been to regulate the flow of visitors into the keep in order that we all stay safe (sigh). The keep is a three storey stone tower with numerous large holes in the walls but because there is a roof visitors are obliged to wear a mask. At the start of the Summer I decided to strike a blow for the resistance, gathered up my rather sparse supply of courage and greeted visitors by saying that many people are exempt from wearing masks but that I wouldn’t dream of asking (hint hint). The result was that I was politely ignored. So I simplified the line and told visitors that they didn’t have to wear a mask if they chose not to; it was up to them. What a difference! I estimate that 80% of people would now take off their masks and thank me, usually commenting on how much they hated the damned things. (You won’t be surprised to learn that the the exceptions were usually those in their 20s.) Here’s the point: I had absolutely no authority to tell people not to wear masks and I’m sure the majority of visitors knew that but because I was an official figure they felt able to kick against what they clearly regard as ridiculous rules. All it will take, I believe, is for someone with rather more authority than I have, a city mayor, or respected MP say, to stand up and tell people that they don’t have to wear masks if they don’t want to, or that they can meet in groups of eight if they want to, and many people will do just that. Rather a pipe dream, granted, because it would take a lot of courage. But we can hope.
Round-Up
- Sign my petition asking MPs to take a 20% pay cut for the duration of the second lockdown, just like furloughed workers
- “If we surrender our human rights cheaply, the cost will be immense” – Excellent comment piece for the Telegraph by Sir Graham Brady
- “Teaching unions must not be allowed to close schools a second time” – UsForThem’s Molly Kingsley on why schools shouldn’t close
- “The Impact of Lockdowns” – Dr Zoe Harcombe parses the evidence about whether lockdowns reduce transmission. She isn’t impressed
- “How To Tell If You’re Being Canceled” – Interview with Jonathan Rauch, legendary free speech advocate, in Reason
- “If this was 1940, Boris Johnson would stand down The Few to ‘protect the RAF‘” – Good column by Richard Littlejohn in the Mail
- “Ministers studying if vitamin D might reduce infections” – Finally!
- “Masks have no place in the playgroup” – Alice Bragg in the Conservative Woman on the ridiculous precautions being taken at her son’s playgroup
- “‘Spiteful’ decision to ban takeaway pints must be overturned, publicans urge Government” – Campaigners and business owners unite in condemnation of the no-takeaway rule, which has been described as ‘nonsensical’
- “Sex with a mask on, boarded-up brothels and no work after 9pm… the reality of being a prostitute during COVID-19” – Even the world’s oldest profession is suffering
- “Don’t underestimate deep discontent among Conservatives running out of faith in Boris Johnson” – Sky News reports on growing dissatisfaction with the Prime Minister on his backbenches
- “Piers Corbyn Sheffield charges dropped” – The CPS has decided that the legal test for prosecution has not been met in this instance
- “Death forecast used to justify national lockdown ‘old and four times too high’” – Even the Mirror has twigged there was something a bit dodgy about Witless and Unbalanced’s data
- “Test and Trace ‘struggling’ as public don’t answer phone to unknown callers, adviser says” – Dr Susan Hopkins, medical adviser to NHS Test and Trace, claims the system is struggling to reach contacts of positive cases because people aren’t answering their phones
- “Britain’s teaching unions are a disgrace” – Joanna Williams in Spiked gives the teaching unions both barrels
- “A Former NeverTrumper Casts Her Ballot” – Inez Feltscher Stepman on why she believes Trump is the lesser of two evils
- “Death by Lockdown” – Jeffrey A. Tucker tots up the collateral damage done by the shutdowns
- “Hate crime law is an attack on our liberties” – Good summary of everything that’s wrong with the Scottish Hate Crime Bill by Clare Foges in the Times
- “Welcome to Lockdown Britain, a nation bitterly divided between Openers and Closers” – Boris Starling surveys our divided nation in the Telegraph
- “We should beware the false assumptions spurring us on into a second lockdown” – Alexandra Phillips in the Telegraph says there’s no such thing as ‘The Science’, only a myopic and potentially dangerous application of dogma
- Lord Sumption’s Remarks to Steve Baker – Steve Baker MP held a meeting yesterday with MPs, scientists and other experts. They discussed a strategy for living with coronavirus, Recovery’s Five Reasonable Demands and the impact of the current restrictions
- “MPs lined up to give Boris Johnson a whack… while he dangled helplessly, like an outsized piñata” – Michael Deacon describes the pitiful sight of the Prime Minister being attacked by his own side in the House of Commons Yesterday. Watch Charles Walker giving him both barrels on twitter.
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Just one today: “Don’t Give Up” by Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush (video is awful).
Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, I’m going to reproduce in full a story that appeared on Guido Fawkes about an ‘open letter’ that’s been circulating following Kemi Badenoch’s barnstorming performance at the dispatch box a couple of weeks ago when she denounced Critical Race Theory.
Equalities minister Kemi Badenoch sent Twitter’s wokesters and academia’s race baiters into meltdown a fortnight ago when her savaging of “Critical Race Theory” (CRT) went viral, with 2.4 million views. Guido’s since picked up on an open letter doing the rounds in nutty left-wing academic circles, who – unable to take on the substance of what Badenoch argues – have chosen instead to misrepresent her words. Aside from their attacks on the substance of Kemi’s words – incorrectly claiming she wants “the banning of certain ideas or schools of thought” and that she misunderstands history and CRT – the mostly former-polytechnic-based academics now claim CRT has “scientific principles” behind their ideology. Eugenicists, phrenologists and Marxists have argued the same for decades..
Looking into the list of mainly non-black academics telling Kemi Badenoch to ‘educate herself’, many have a track record of peddling conspiracy theories, hard-left drivel and even racist tropes against ethnic minorities they disagree with. Guido brings you some of the eye-catching highlights:
Dr Goldie Osuri – Associate Professor, University of Warwick
Claimed antisemitism in the Labour Party was an ‘Israeli Lobby kind of idea’
Said the Israeli Prime Minister was a butcher and that Israelis were ‘bloodthirsty’Dr Sadhvi Dar – Senior Lecturer in CSR and Business Ethics, Queen Mary’s
Accuses the Royal family of upholding white supremacy
Believes white people subordinate all people of colour
Believes universities are an arm of the state designed to keep non-white people down.
Blamed racism for obesityDr Hannah Robbins – Director of Black Studies, University of Nottingham
Equates singing Rule Britannia with celebrating mass slaughter.
Claimed singing Rule Britannia at the Proms was a constant reminder of how her ancestors had been killed.Dr Jou Yin Teoh – Lecturer and Racial and Cultural Equity, Brunel University London
Apologist for the Chinese regime: “Even the Chinese government is able to acknowledge that anti-black sentiments exist in China and is taking proactive steps to acknowledge it. So let’s not be apologists for bad behaviour, shall we?”
Lubaaba Al-Azami – PhD Candidate English Literature, University of Liverpool
Defended Jeremy Corbyn by calling Tony Blair the architect of a violent racist ideology
Called Boris Johnson ‘human scum’Dr Hadiza Kere Abdulrahman – Lecturer in Inclusive Education, Bishop Grosseteste University
Asked non-white conservatives to consider whether they were truly conservatives because of their race.
Professor Bobby Banerjee – Associate Dean of Research & Enterprise, The Business School, University of London
Claims there are too many white people at business schools and that these schools continue to profit from killing people
Dr Tanzil Chowdhury – Lecturer in Public Law, Queen Mary, University of London
Accused the Labour party of destroying Iraq and Afghanistan ‘bastardising’ their children
Blamed Britain’s foreign policy for terror attacks on the UK by extremists.Dr Triona Fitton – School of Social Policy Lecturer, University of Kent
Believes Starmer is using Jews as a cover for factional bloodletting
Dr Gurnam Singh – Honorary Associate Professor of Sociology, University of Warwick
Teaches students that a belief in meritocracy is evidence of white supremacy
Annabel Crowley – University of the Arts London
Asserts “non-white people in the UK grow up enveloped by institutional white supremacy”
Sees white people as a ‘discomforting force’.
Waving the English flag shows ‘unfaltering loyalty to whiteness’.Zey Suka-Bill – University College London
Believes what is taught at schools and universities uphold western dominance and whiteness.
Believes the curriculum at universities is ‘whitewashed’ and used to marginalise non-white people.Dr David Wearing – International Relations, University of Southampton
Described Sir Keir Starmer as a “middling white guy plank of wood with a haircut” and said Labour was “fucked” if Rebecca Long-Bailey was not elected leader.
Believes black students only thrive when their teacher and authors look like them.
Admits Labour members do not care about racismLooks like Kemi’s on pretty sound ideological ground…
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.
Mask Censorship: The Swiss Doctor has translated the article in a Danish newspaper about the suppressed Danish mask study. Largest RCT on the effectiveness of masks ever carried out. Rejected by three top scientific journals so far.
The Great Barrington Declaration

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this hit job the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and my Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now well over 600,000 signatures.
Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.
Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.
Christian Concern is JR-ing the Welsh Government over its insistence on closing churches during the “circuit breaker”. See its letter-before-action here and an article about it here.
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Carl Heneghan being sensible once again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0vL0281s5c
Saying that, I really do agree with Andre Walker’s comments at the end, though; Carl is being a tad too polite about Whitty and Vallance.
Listening to another Talk Radio interview with a Sage member, it seems that the main problem is not adding hospital beds, it’s getting trained doctors and nurses to work in them. There is a chronic shortage of doctors and nurses around the world at the moment for obvious reasons. So Nightingales or not, that’s why there’s a shortage of beds they couldn’t make up over the summer.
This is what I find really annoying. The justification shifts everytime the logic of the argument is challenged. So first of all, it’s the old “the NHS will be overwhelmed”. Then, when it’s pointed out that in fact the NHS was not overwhelmed in the first “wave”, the argument shifts to, “well it wasn’t the autumn then and there was no added burden from other respiratory illnesses”. Then when people point out that actually every autumn brings these problems and COVID isn’t adding that much exta burden to account for the hysteria, we then get “We haven’t got the staff”. Well if there aren’t enought staff, why were the Nightingale hospitals even built? I can guaranteethat the next thing will be “Staff are off sick with stress and/or COVID”. And on and on and on………………. The truth is that the NHS management have not planned properly for this presumably because they’re too busy finding and paying for managment consultants to advise them!!!
They were built for show, obviously. Or some idiot hadn’t worked out there were no staff to service them. I’d tick both boxes.
Don’t forget the shortage of toilets, which means they could only be used for ambulant patients.
They have known about capacity problems since Event 201. Also every year we keep being told about their winter pressures but they have never put annual contingency plans in place.
If it is really as bad as they are making out, they should have been recruiting and training thousands of nursing auxiliaries, like they had in the First World War, to do basic tasks like washing and turning patients, in order to take the pressure off trained nurses. The NHS had at least a million volunteers (I was one of them) at the beginning of the panic, many would have been willing to do such work.
Sceptic H is right. It was more trained critical care staff that were needed in ICU in spring.
Nowadays it’s health care assistants (HCAs) that do the vast majority of personal care and manual handling of patients on the wards. Not too tricky to recruit.
The government pay well for nurse training but the drop out rate is a scandal. Newly qualified nurses leave the job mainly due to stress caused by staff shortages. This caused by sick leave or vacant posts (I regularly covered another person’s work.)
Management was always incompetent & way too ‘top down’. The main problem which is so relevant right now with COVID is the risk averse culture and petty regulations.
And off because of trap and trace
They have been short of doctors and nurses for many years?? Not long ago they ended bursaries for training nurses, I know that they had to reinstate this after a few years but ….?
Exactly. Instead of paying to train our own young people they imported ready-trained ones from abroad. In a global crisis many have no doubt returned to their own countries and families and who can blame them?
It would not be difficult to pay all fees and living costs for students from British schools who undertook to work for a particular number of years – between 10 and 20, depending on the length and cost of the training – in the NHS. The money would be a loan which, after the required years were completed, would be written off.
What do you expect it’s the Tories for you But it was Labour when Blair was Premier the privitisation started with the PFI debacle
If they paid nurses a bit more instead of wasting money on testing they would have enough to staff the empty beds. A trained nurse can earn more working at tescos and with better conditions.
I think the better solution is to make redundant 60% of the tiers and tiers of overly paid non productive largely incompetent Managers in the NHS and shift the revenue to the front line. There are now nearly more managers than beds. Also there are enough qualified nurses and doctors out there but, the NHS not the Government has systematically reduced bed capacity knock on effect being the loss of all those medical jobs. We now have the lowesr number of acute beds in the developef world.
My local hospital Queens Romford spent £500-000 on artwork for some executives office
And I bet it was some crap abstract thing as well.
Hi Adam that is shocking.
They did this when the hospital was put into special measures by the CQC
A nurse at a prestigious hospital once told me the dates when the number of managers exceeded that of nurses, and non-medically qualified staff outnumbered the medics.
Can’t remember the actual dates now but they were both way back in the eighties
Foxglove, we have to rid ourselves of the delusion that Nurses are underpaid, they are not. In fact, they are very well paid and get the most extraordinary work benefits.
“There is a chronic shortage of doctors and nurses around the world at the moment for obvious reasons.”
There may be a shortage, I don’t know, but what obvious reasons are these? Is covid having much of an impact on critical or general healthcare demand?
They re-trained consultants and others in April to work in ICU (I know a couple). Why wasn’t that supply of extra ICU staff maintained and increased over the summer? The goon show predicted a 2nd wave in May. Public sector incompetence. If you have an increase in demand, you increase supply. Simple.
Dr’s Heneghan Sikora Gupta or Yeadon should be in charge Johnson and Hancock should be dismissed immediately
Carl is a nice man – unlike his opponents.
Good morning, Judy. 🙂
God speed Trump
Against this towering intellect, he hasn’t a chance. 😉
Oops, forgot the link.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8905253/Election-2020-Joe-Biden-suffers-senior-moments-Michigan-rally.html#v-6054047203059874004
Amazing!
If Covid makes you stupider, as the Grauniad asserted last week, then Biden must have had it at least ten times.
Biden must be senile if he thinks Bush is still president
He is widely known to be senile. Less so that he is a nonce, but that’s growing too.
If people vote for him, it’s because they’re actually voting for the VP woman.
If people vote for Biden, that is.
Kamala harris is hugely disliked by some people in America she acted like a dictator when she was a DA
Amen to that.
I can’t believe I just said Amen to that.
Amen to that.
Strange times indeed.
Well, they’re armed to the teeth, include many vets, and know their constitution. Hence the demonising of militias, when in reality the militia is all American citizens.
Britain could learn a lot from America instead of standing in the rain waving chinese made Union flags at some old woman and her weirdo looking family born into privilege and entitlement don’t get me started why we still tolerate the outdated class system here, we need a written constitution and move forward as a nation
Desmond Swayne gets it! Absolutley terrific!
Nice to see at least 1 MP who has looked at the data; he knows the pandemic peaked before the first lockdown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrRRrjBODbI
They all get it, but they are making too much money to let this shit show come to an end
All the more impressive of Swayne to do the right thing regardless, then.
Hopefully when Johnson and Co are forced out by the backbenchers Swayne will feature in the new administration
Where in Thailand? Sounds amazing.
Are you still closed off from tourism?
Totally bizarre
I have a friend who works for a ‘well known travel company’ who said they have been pushing for ‘quarantine holidays’ where tour groups are basically kept under lock and key in all-inclusive resorts.
Toby, fix your commas in the first (excellent) article, mate. 😉
Something to note, if you are reading this. The government/PHE always quote the ‘reported date’ for number of deaths. The current average deaths (by date of death) – the correct number, in my opinion – is 222; that allows for a 5 day delay to let numbers catch up.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/03/the-demonisation-of-lockdown-sceptics/
Support is growing, despite the sneers and slurs.
Yesterday, plumber called, wearing mask over his substantial beard, to investigate source of possible leak.
I advised him to remove it, as I live in a mask free zone.
He readily agreed, and I’m glad he did, as I had to listen carefully to his suggestions.
Good on you both I refuse to talk to people with those things on
I had a plumber round a few weeks ago, masked up. After a while he used a rather odd turn of phrase, something like ‘what do you think about me wearing a mask’. I realised it was code for him asking if he could take it off, so I said ‘please do whatever makes you feel more comfortable’. He took the mask off with obvious relief, and said that some people he’d visited were terrified of the Covids being brought in.
It’s still nighttime here, but good morning to you!
Still counts as the day before for me… still had no sleep 😭
Will the MPs vote down lockdown?
Will the whitty and vallance get their comeuppance?
Will Donald Trump win an undeniable majority?
…… what if none of these things happen…. the enfolding suffocation
If none if those things happens, we carry on the fight.
It’s only masked morons who will suffocate.
I don’t think it’ll make any difference to what is planned when those two jokers go in front of the parliamentary committee. This is all about appearances and nothing else. They won’t back track because they think it’ll make them look stupid. They don’t seem to understand that most people think they’re all a pack of stupid fuckers anyway.
Hopefully though the PM will realise it’s too big a risk to be a stupid fucker by association. Why are they being thanked for agreeing to appear though? Surely they should be made to feel incredibly nervous (& more) that they are being held accountable for their data upon which many lives are at stake. Why are they being pandered to?
Johnson is too stupid to realise that.
https://www.davidmurrin.co.uk
Ah! So they are cooking the books
Who knew?
Stewed to rags by now.
Feel like I’m back in my home country where cooking the books was so common especially during election time.
Now they’re doing it here too.
Jesus wept.
I was surprised to read this:
If the Government is trying to persuade us that the traffic light system isn’t working, putting Liverpool in the spotlight is unwise since it shows that placing the city in Tier 3, which happened on October 14th, has significantly reduced the R number.
Yes, I also thought this.
Me too. Not sure it’s a good idea to give in on the tier system, in order to fight the national lockdown.
Has Toby had a brain fart? Or is it some weird attempt at a compromise position? Badly advised if so. If you concede that Tier 3 ‘works,’ it is logically unavoidable that more lockdown will work even better.
Exactly. According to that graph “cases” in Liverpool peaked on 9 October, before the start of Tier 3.
I’ve just read that they intend to carry out mass testing on Liverpool first. This is nothing short of sinister, they really are looking for more positive cases to justify their sick agenda. I live there, I will not be tested. I’m perfectly healthy, I will carry on taking my vitamin D. What next, will they throw us into concentration camps for noncompliance?
Don’t give them ideas
The cases are coming down in Liverpool. But more people will be tested now thus increasing positive results, giving the incorrect impression it is on the rise in the city again, when it’s not.
As I mentioned earlier, it was mentioned ensuring people isolate. What concerns me as the constant ‘project creep’ pattern this continues to follow. Accept one thing, then to get out of that accept another and so on. It’s like a Russian doll of coercion.
The camps are coming for us dissenters, no doubt. We live under a dictatorship that takes it’s orders from people we’ve never heard of. Don’t complain though because you’d be a bigot or a racist or some kind of nasty person who actually deserves the camps. I know i deserve the camps.
https://www.saveourrights.uk
Medical martial law.
The “conspiracy theorists” like James Corbett warned about that months ago.
It’s not looking like a conspiracy theory any more.
Still looks much the same to me.
Still refusing to create an identity for yourself? I suppose you just don’t care how confusing it might be for readers.
Icke, decades ago.
i really hope the good people of liverpool don’t comply with this. i agree that it’s really sinister. army on the streets! testing that we already know just gives them data they can use to manipulate.
‘Million mask’ demo planned for Trafalgar Square 6pm Friday
You mean Thursday.
Follow the money
I think Toby has mis scribed two numbers in the David Livermore piece. 1. Surely it’s 570,000 infections per day rather than 57,000? 2. The 20,000 in bullet 5 should be 200,000? Apologies if I’m incorrect. If anyone knows how to contact Toby directly it might be worth checking my maths and dropping him a note to get those figures changed.
I sent an email to Ian Rons (the webmaster) earlier to ask him to fix it.
I remember as a child just turning up at the GP waiting room and waiting your turn. If you were bed ridden Your Doctor would visit you on a ‘house call’ in the afternoon. Image.
Yes, I remember my mother ushering in that sinister figure, bearing the horrid lollystick device for holding your tongue down.
I should have been a lot more grateful at the time!
And the bottle marked The Linctus
Yes I remember that too and it was the same 3 doctors year after year….happy days.
You still can walk in to my local practice in East Anglia – I think it’s probably one of the last in the country though. Last time I had a home visit from a GP was in 1991 when I had a suspected burst appendix.
Ours also in East Anglia used to be good. Then it turned to absolute crap, The Receptionist decided if you could see a doctor or only a nuirse, and if you put in your repeat prescription too early it was delayed or cancelled altogether. If it took more than four weeks to get an appointment “The Coimputer” wouldn’t accept it. How it suddenly became that busy I know not. Three weeks was pretty much normal, you had to book in advance to become ill.
Then things suddenly improved for the patients and it was almost back to normal for a while, then all but three of the doctors left. Now I just avoid it altogether
Maximum daily fatalities per million per day – showing how implausible Witless and Unbalanced prediction of 4000 daily deaths in Britain is. about 3.5 times greater than the peak value for Britain in April and 1.4 times the peak value anywhere
corrected from previous version – decimal point in wrong place and fixed Mexico value
NB – based on daily reported deaths (I have tried to remove large catch up fatality reports) rather than actual date of death
Just noted in the DT. Testing to be a way out of the lockdown- so here we go, lockdown was for 4 weeks … now testing as the only way out. People will be ‘offered’ a test, so if one refuses then what. Regular testing, weekly mentioned, ‘ensuring ‘ people isolate. How do you ensure … ? Lock them up, guard their house … weld them in as our leader seems to love what the Chinese do. Army to help with testing … mmm. Getting people used to the army on the street or is this pushing things a bit.
Note another irrational comment by Johnson – defeating infectious diseases as humanity always has done – so there’s no influenza, TB, or the myriad of other infectiois diseases. As he is now justifying testing because 8 out of 10 people are asumptomatic, does that not debunk his claim it is ‘deadly’, so deadly most people don’t know they have it. But guess that would be too much to expect an MP to throw his distorted, insane rhetoric back at him.
Strange how much this government likes the way the Chinese do things.
Someone should point out to Boris that 1.5 million people die each year from TB.
The online NHS training for infection prevention and control, makes the point that most people can have viral infections without knowing about it.
I am in no doubt whatsoever that if you do not have any symptoms (strangely called being asymptomatic) then you quite obviously don’t have it, it’s the test result that’s a false-positive.
Morning all – I applaud Nigel Farage for ‘attempting’ to change The Brexit Party into an anti-lockdown ‘Reform’ Party. Now his PR machine is fantastic and he spent most of his working life as an MEP and knew the EU inside out and completed his mission. BUT this time around unless he acquires the assistance of well known medics/scientists he will struggle with debates and discussions on the Coronavirus situation. It would be a lovely thought to team up with RecoverUK but these individuals probably wouldnt agree with Nigels general politics – as indeed Prof Gupta mentioned yesterday on TalkRadio although she thanked Mr Farage for his support as The Great Barrington Declaration is the basis for ‘Reforms’ anti-lockdown stance. Is Prof Carl Henegan anyway politically minded? I love that man and he really should be in charge of this nonsense. Dr Mike Yeadon lives in France and presumably is pro-EU, but it would be an excellent idea to persuade him to come out of retirement although he is doing his best to help but is being ignored. Shame on the GOV for putting their faith in The Chuckle Bros and their outdated projections and dismissing everybody else.
As a (former) labour voter and passionate remain supporter myself, the idea of backing Farage is just further through the looking glass.
I now avoid the BBC and the guardian often in favour of the Telegraph and Mail which seem slightly more balanced in terms of Covid hysteria.
I admire political figures with courage such as Desmond Swain.
And in a choice tonight for the USA between Trump and Biden, between a man who was vilified for telling a frightened nation not to worry and showed them that (god forbid) most people with Covid, including overweight men in their 70s, are fine, and a man who wants masks and restrictions indefinitely?
I hope Trump wins!
As for Farage, again, in my opinion an opportunist media darling with some repellent views on race, but right now the voices of popular dissent are few and far between.
Agree 100%
SNAP.
The one thing about being a lefty there is a cure and it’s called growing up. Nothing cracks me up more than some fifty year old dumb fuck like Rich H still peddling their communist utopia like they’re Rick from the Young Ones. You should spend a year being embarrassed at being a lefty as penance then move on.
Thats what I did at about age 27 haha.
Similar here. It’s mad to me that I am thinking positively of both Farage and Trump these days, never thought I’d consider putting support behind pro-brexit Farage or build-a-wall Trump. I guess that this will make me a right winger to those who don’t understand nuance.
Forget brexit what should unite us is this wretched governments removal from office and making sure Labour is kept out of office also permanently https://www.sdp.org.uk
“As for Farage, again, in my opinion an opportunist media darling with some repellent views on race“
This seems a little bizarre to me, since as far as I can see Farage’s views on race, insofar as they can be identified from his public utterances, are pretty mainstream and pretty anodyne. Granted, not remotely woke, but hardly someone who “hates people of different races because they are of different racial origin”.
Your ideas of what it takes for mere opinions to be “repellent” clearly differ greatly from mine. I suppose it’s a pretty subjective judgement – I could nowadays say that I find pro-lockdown views pretty repellent, but at least those actually amount to wanting to grossly breach fundamental liberties and inflict real, direct harm on people.
Its always easy now to smear anyone who believes in manage immigration rather than unlimited illegal immigration as a racist. Labour and the tories have been doing it for years.
Left versus right is only one classification, and there are others such as libertarian versus authoritarian. Nowadays the libertarian left seems to have almost disappeared from the actual parties so any libertarian leftists find themselves politically homeless. There is the libertarian right, the authoritarian right and the authoritarian left, and the authoritarians have the upper hand at present.
Yes, when I was young the right were the party of The Establishment and big business, and the left were for freedom.
Now it’s exactly the opposite way round
Could you expand on these ‘repellent views on race’…as thats a rather serious claim?
My feeling is that this issue of freedom needs to be separated from leave vs remain and other culture wars – Personally I was Pro EU but accepted the referendum result – I do not like Farage at all but on this issue he is right
If pro freedom is associated deeply with any side of the culture war then winning people over would be much harder – unfortunately many people think as hominem rather than judging logic and facts
If we were to appeal to emotions – i would try to define lockdown enthusiasts as sadists – people who want to imprison you, want you to lose your job, your business and your home, want you not to be treated for any other illness such as cancer or strokes and die because of them, want you to suffer from a mental health crisis in order to comply with an ideology
The virus is serious – it does harm many and kills people particularly in certain groups (old people with co- morbidities) – but the response to it around the world is mass hysteria – it is pretty hard for people to realise that they had hysterically overreacted
Agree. Left, right, remain, leave etc, are all distractions from the bigger picture and take you down rabbit holes whenever trying to change minds on Covid. I suggest poster campaigns. Just the facts of mortality chances, in relation to both other years and other causes. No opinion. Let the facts do the work. It is astonishing how few people actually know them.
Lefties always say left, right are all distractions. Somehow they feel they just can’t admit to themselves that liberty and freedom to choose your own way isn’t right wing like lefties claim, it’s just human. Lefties are always trying and failing to denigrate liberty. It’s one of the reasons i pity them.
Biker. While I get your frustration, I do wish you wouldn’t lump all “lefties” together by accusing them of doing just that to anyone right wing. Labour and the so called left have acted disgracefully. But I would argue that they are not left. Anyway, my point still stands. This crisis of democracy should unite us all, and that is the absolute value of websites and forums like this. We must all stand together.
left wing is support of government. There should be no government, you can’t herd humans and when we try it we end up with them facing me to do all sorts of shit. I will not unite with anyone who thinks like a lefty. The information is there for them to see their delusion but they willingly choose to oppress me. They are too fucking stupid to see it’s the opposite of what they believe. Left wing people are a direct threat to me, much more so than any virus. I’m never gonna stand with you because i’m a individual and don’t need anything from you except you to stay the fuck out my way with your bullshit. If you learn one thing it’s your live live it stop wanting others to do shit.
I agree with you in many ways biker…but this stuff is so serious we may need the lefties with us on this so we can all get back to normal and scrapping with each other again on Brexit, immigration, tax etc!
Plus there is a place for anarchism…
Long ago, a friend went to an Anarchists meeting. They spent the first half of the meeting debating whether or not to vote. Then they decided to vote on whether or not to vote. At that point he left and went down the pub
I think he was the true anarchist
Yes, and I consider myself a ‘ green’ and this gets all manner of conspiracy shit thrown at it now.
I like this one phrase you’ve said, “I would try to define lockdown enthusiasts as sadists”. Yes, exactly.
I’ve just returned home after a shopping trip without wearing a muzzle (coward that I am I wear an exemption lanyard) and one silly woman glared at me and even pulled her coat over her face as she passed me. She was wearing her muzzle under her nose! How I hate these hysterics. I call them collaborators.
Thats right…smearing people from the anti lockdown side for alleged racism etc is not going to get us anywhere. I am on the right but would welcome Jeremy Corbyn into the fold if he was able to agree with us.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Exactly. Which is why this former Guardian-reading leftie feels more comfortable associating with people here, regardless of (former?) political persuasion.
I was a Guardian reading leftie until they turned rotten.
Me three
Me four
I was a Guardian reading leftie in my 20s…until I worked out that its views on crime,education etc worsened the lives of the very people they claimed to represent. It did not matter to them though as they were all privately educated and live in posh areas.
I left Labour because of Corbyn and rejoined to vote for Starmer. I then left before they kicked me out for saying that mammals cannot change sex and women don’t have penises!
I still believe in fair pay for working people and properly funded public services; the economic position of the centre left, but I loathe identity politics. I have abandoned the Guardian altogether and now read the Telegraph and the Spectator.
None of this is new; I voted Tory in 1979 because Labour had abolished my grammar school. I don’t think I’ve moved; politics has changed around me.
“I don’t think I’ve moved; politics has changed around me.”
Yes!!!
If you are still thinking in terms of left n right at this stage it’s curtains I’m afraid.
Well, the participants on this board show that another way is possible. I think we’re mostly from the political persuasion formerly known as “the right”, but lots of us are from what was known as “the left.” Maybe we need a symbol like Prince had. Only one that springs to mind right now is the one-fingered salute we use in the States, but there are lots of creative minds here.
How? Lefties say right wing people are racist and all that jazz when i’m further to the right than Attila the Hun and i’m not racist in any way. I want freedom to choose my own life, that’s what so called right wingers want, lefties are pathetic weak people who lie about others to make themselves feel better because none of them can stand on their own two feet
“The American Eagle has a left wing and a right wing, and if those wings don;t beat together, the bird falls on its ass”
Uncle Dirty c. 1968
Article about demonization of lockdown sceptics in spiked – https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/11/03/the-demonisation-of-lockdown-sceptics/
I was a child in the soviet Union and since coming to Britain as a teenager I fully appreciate what freedom is – never lose it
Anytime an opponent is vilified and smeared, rather than having their arguments countered fact by fact, it makes me think that the establishment has something to hide,
State owned media – like the BBC – can never really be trusted
I found the whole clap for carers an unpleasant and scary reminder of parts of my childhood under communism
I hope and pray that this dictatorial edifice will crumble – but fear that it may take some time – maybe we are beginning to witness a Ceaușescu moment?
They’re going to clap for the war dead, apparently.
Cowardly, bedwetting, nappy-faced slave morons clapping men and women who died to keep us free.
I shall be sick.
That is so wrong on all levels!
How unwoke of them. It should be jazz hands, not clapping. Won’t someone think of all the snowflakes who are traumatised by clapping?
Plus, all that clapping could be spreading the Covid into the air from people’s hands, and might get breathed in by someone’s nan, killing her instantly on the spot.
Why not put your sentiments on the flower’s label?
I watched Saving Private Ryan recently. That seen at the start of the D-Day landings. I turned to my wife and said that we are now rewarding the last few people alive who were on those boats by isolating them in a care home and letting them die lonely, emotionally traumatic deaths whilst not being allowed to hold the hands of their children.
There is a war memorial about a mile from my house. I intend to go to it and provide a respectful minute’s silence on the 11th.
There’s a charity called John’s Campaign which is pushing for access rights to care homes. I’ve just chipped in a few quid for the reasons you mention. https://www.facebook.com/Johns-Campaign-1561603624080402/
At the moment, I’m reading Dmitri Trenin’s ‘Russia’; on page 115, this passage caught my attention:
‘This was the time of doublethink. Most people grew accustomed to saying directly opposite things in public and in private, never mixing their script.’
Our western democracies seem to be going rapidly in the same direction, thanks to Covid Derangement Syndrome, Woke Cancellation Culture , Expediency and the steady narrowing of the Overton Window.
My cynical view of this sorry state of affairs is that national mores and norms have become so distorted by the encroachment of technocracy, political correctness and emotional incontinence, the latter encouraged by our leaders,that we have now become essentially rudderless, open to assault by whoever can stage the most effective power grab.
Whether enough of us will have the courage and commitment to stem this tide and repudiate the ridicule, the ad hominem attacks and the stupidity ,remains to be seen.
I think it will only take on real force if sufficient numbers of the hitherto financially and socially secure discover that they too, are in the firing line.
I’ve been on the Guardian again recently and have started advocating for closing universities and schools since commenters there insist it’s far too unsafe to teach students. Of course, adding that teachers, faculty, and staff should be furloughed, just like the rest of public-facing employees in this country is intended to annoy them. Maybe one or two will realise their hypocrisy and privilege.
Well said!
Good morning ConstantBees. I’m just having breakfast before setting off to pursue a morning of seeing students on campus as much as possible as normal. So far my students seem touchingly grateful that they can come to my office, enter, sit and talk to me. I am almost the last person working on campus in my humanities dept. Everyone else has crept home to stay safe.
You are safe, Alethea.. So are your students.
In fact, you are the only ones who are safe.
Safe from becoming zombies.
And being around as many different people will keep your immune system working perfectly. This hiding away getting paid my tax dollars get sick as soon as they leave their bunkers and spread things around to more people. It’s the clown world you know. If the government says stay in to keep you safe you know you have to go out to be safe. They are always wrong. Every single thing shitbags like them, the BBC, the Guardian ever say is always, without exception the opposite . Im sure it’s a test
If the teachers dont want to work see them as strikers and dont pay them. They dont mind the food workers staying working for them.
May the force be with you,Alethea; my customary salutation to brave sceptics.
I can vouch for that from people I know (who longer longer speak to me…I am glad to say)
I was on a Zoom call with other musicians on Sunday and a student said that his university had closed the practice rooms. What is the point of a music student being there if they can’t practice? Practising is usually done alone. They would be better off at home in most cases but universities appear to be keeping them prisoner.
Prince William”s struggle with Covid in the spring has recently been publicised; is this an example of managed news to keep the public onside?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13080634/prince-william-secret-covid-battle/
Just a thought.
Hear! Hear!
Of course it is! Sounds like the bloke felt pretty rough for a week and took to his bed. We’ve all been there. Complete non-story that will be lapped up by the masses.
Fuck Prince William and the rest of them inbred tax payer money leeching tossers. At least Prince Andrew is a decent sort though. Top bloke. Likes them young i’ve heard, well who doesn’t like them young, tight flesh that keeps greasy so it goes down easy, mmmm i’m getting a tingly feeling just thinking about it. Bloke was just put off by the smell of lube. Just the other side of 16 mind you wouldn’t want folk to think you were a pervert would you?
I am glad there are others out there like me who thinks monarchies are nonsense, We should be a federal republic like Germany with written constitution
Where the Wittelsbachs still receive state funding as compensation for giving up the Bavarian monarchy in 1918?
https://www.castleholic.com/2020/01/the-wittelsbacher-ausgleichsfonds-or.html
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Can’t stand the Royals absolute waste of space time We became a republic were everyone is equal
I absolutely agree but who would we get? President Blair? Starmer? Johnson?
They are a costly waste of space and the adulation makes me cringe but I wonder how a workable republic with an acceptable and plausible leader could be established.
The classic trope that a presidency would be a US style executive president. Most European countries have a ceremonial head of state with limited executive powers (France being the notable exception).
God no none of those imbeciles as president I would emigrate if any of those won
So much for joined up government. Did they not get the memo about government policy being to increase fear levels in order to encourage compliance?
This government is as precise as autistic driving instructor
I did feel a bit off myself, for a couple of days in early April. Being the stoical type I didn’t even mention it to anyone, not even the dog, as I didn’t want to worry him. He might just have suspected something, when I laboured, rather slower than normal, up to the local trig point, but if he did he kept it to himself.
I thought he and Kate wore masks all the time? Looks like masks don’t work – but we know that already!
Yes.
I’d only start worrying if the line of succession somehow changed to King Harry and Queen Meghan of Markles.
In “1984” there was the two minute hate. However, love is hate. Therefore the two minute love clap is equivalent to Orwell’s 2 minute hate.
Hear, hear!! I was a child under a dictatorship and of course parts of the culture I grew up in were authoritarian.
That’s why I appreciate freedom and know that its something to be always safeguarded, never to be taken for granted.
Never clapped for the NHS and thought that it was distasteful and sinister.
Methinks the tide is turning and people are not as ready to acquiesce as they were back in March.
The ‘all NHS workers are heroes’ stuff certainly doesn’t seem to be as prevalent this time. The general attitude seems to be that lockdown is tedious but necessary.
The opening ceremony of the London Olympics looks like a prophecy now..
i seem to remember reading something about all the worrying symbolism of that at some point
I was living in Hungary when I watched that on TV. My former father-in -law, who was old enough (just) to remember the ’56 uprising against the Soviets, asked me ‘what on earth is all this propaganda for?’
Give it a watch, it’s on utube. Quite unsettling/frightening though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t0L7X11Rmw
just watch from 4.11 on, it might scare you.
Never did it myself.
I admit it, I clapped. I was gullible thinking that our public servants would never do anything like this to their own people.
It’s been a massive eye opener for me.
Two weeks ago I lost my business and two days after that my business partner committed suicide not because of covid but because of all the hysteria and rules that ruined our year old business.
I now find myself £400k in debt, there is a way out of most of it though. My business partner’s daughter has come to live with my family with her boyfriend, she has nobody else.
I’m only human but I’m mad as hell now! How dare these bastards do this to my friends and family?! How dare they do this to my country?!
Do they realise that if they take everything away from somebody that they then have nothing to lose? Look at how hard the Japanese fought on the war, or how Jihadi’s fight, we will soon be in this position, many hundreds of thousands of us. An army of us. An out of control nothing to lose army. If I was them I’d be very afraid.
There’s an apocalyptic book called The Death of Grass by John Christopher in which most of the world is hit by famine. The British government orders the RAF to carpet-bomb most of the major cities in order to reduce the population to a manageable level. At the time I thought that was ludicrous but nothing would surprise me now!
Fucking right ! Especially when the whole neighbourhood (maybe 20 houses) gathered outside our house to clap. Chainsawing logs was a weird way to spend every Thursday evening …
Excellent comment.
Morning. Is the pig dictator still spouting hogwash?
I’m having a bacon sandwich for breakfast.
That is the destiny of pigs.
Though some are unfit for human consumption.
PS. It was a good sandwich.
The pig dictator wouldn’t make a half-way decent sandwich.Euch.
Annie, that’s the first hearty good laugh I have had since Saturday! Oh the imagery!
wallowing in it up to his chitterlings
The Guardian recognises the existence of T-cell immunity:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/02/t-cell-covid-immunity-present-in-adults-six-months-after-first-infection
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Response to DJAustin from yesterday’s chain. You’ve missed a fundamental point which I raised yesterday. You say that, in respect of the Gompertz curve and similar: “…the shapes can be interpreted as either changes in contacts OR less likelihood of transmitting infections”, by which I presume you mean the reduction in deaths may either be the result of some type of innate resistance in the population or of the lockdown. If you take the two hypotheses then clearly the innate resistance explanation is the correct one for at least three reasons: i) the graphs of deaths in virtually every country including those such as Sweden where there was no lockdown, and similarly some US states were very similar (arguably Sweden declined slightly slower and arguably that’s why it’s doing better now) ii) there was virtually no effect on the flu/pneumonia death figures (as a percentage of the 5 year average) from the lockdown. it would be odd if the lockdown affected one virus one way and other viruses the other way, after all the viruses don’t know if they’re being targeted. iii) if there was no innate immunity then why did the virus only affect 10% (or as I think… Read more »
I think in Sweden only about 1% of the population was recorded as infected and yet they have ‘let it rip’. I have used this argument with the doubters and yet they still think it will kill us all. Cognitive Dissonance.
cognitive dissonance absolutely. 237 people under 60 have died in sweden over the whole situation. People say one thing and act according on a completely different basis. i think most people realise this is not dangerous except to the very old
I think it’s only 300 in the UK under 60 (without comorbidities)
Would it not be more accurate to say ‘without known comorbidities’? Unless a post-mortem is carried out on all of them (which I highly doubt). Even then there might be something undetected. If the Covids was killing otherwise healthy people we would know about it by now.
Yes.
I wish I could remember who first said that Covid worked like an amplifier – if you were going to die soon it made you die sooner, if you were already ill it made you more ill, if you were healthy it might make you cough a bit, or not even that.
IMO the important thing is to not be ill in the first place so it can’t get you. Unfortunately being ill seems to be the default nowadays
very yellow, very crispy. Very dry. Pointy-ended. Rustling.
The Gompertz curve happens because populations are not homogeneous. A new agent can spread more or less unrestricted through a naive population, and does so. At some point the number of people with a degree of immunity is such, _relative_ to the number of currently infectious people, that the outbreak slows, and eventually turns a corner. The slow, almost straight decline from the peak is also becuase of the non homogeneity of populations. You get an ever decreasing number of ever smaller and ever more localised outbreaks in areas that still don’t have much community immunity because for whatever reason they never got exposed to infected individuals.
ITU occupancy with COVID is rising in Sweden at about the same rate as Norway, Finland and Denmark. Deaths will surely follow, just as they have in the UK and everywhere else. There is no exceptionalism, and there is limited evidence of population immunity from a first wave of infections. The null hypothesis is that a relatively small fraction of the population have experienced the infection and when contacts go up, transmission rises, hospital admissions rise, ITU occupancy rises and deaths rise. That is the universal pattern across all of Europe. In coutries that did well to protect their vulnerable in the first wave, and in countries that did less well. If the infection has “burnt out” in Sweden, why would ITU occupancy be rising on a background of mass immunity? The GB is based on a false premise regarding immunity and protection. I won’t be signing it. Give me a testable hypothesis.
Sweden https://portal.icuregswe.org/siri/report/corona.covid-dagligen
Europe https://ourworldindata.org/covid-hospitalizations
I suggest you listen to the Tegnell interview Toby posted a link to yesterday – recorded very recently. Tegnell tells you what is really happening and what they predict…
The plot shows what is happening. It looks like everywhere else. ITU admissions are rising. Much slower than in March, but rising. Deaths will follow. Not doom and gloom 4000/day (absolute nonsense prediction btw), but they are rising in a population that therefore cannot have reached immunity.
People die pal…get over it…you will one day too.
Around 1600 people die every day. 200 – 300 are “from” covid (debatable) so 1300 – 1400 aren’t. Maybe we should stop that right now.
Of course they do. The issue is when they start to die in much greater numbers than normal!
ONS age-standardised mortality rates, per 100,000 people, standardised to the 2013 European Standard Population, deaths registered between 1 January and 31 July 2001 to 2020, England.
Year England
2001 1272.2
2002 1256.4
2003 1232.6
2004 1178.4
2005 1181.3
2006 1147.9
2007 1115.1
2008 1100.4
2009 1057.7
2010 1023.5
2011 993.9
2012 1009.0
2013 1032.6
2014 954.4
2015 1038.0
2016 981.8
2017 987.4
2018 1021.2
2019 936.5
2020 1102.9
Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/july2020#deaths-registered-in-the-year-to-date
“Monthly rates in this bulletin are adjusted to allow for comparisons with annual rates.”
Deaths for Week 43,week ending 11 days ago were 700 higher than any date in the past 10 years. They’ll go a bit higher still for a couple of weeks yet. Adjusting for population size does not change the picture. We’ll see about 20% higher than normal
Week 43 England and Wales
2010 9275
2011 9139
2012 9550
2013 9236
2014 9603
2015 9711
2016 9724
2017 9739
2018 9603
2019 10021
2020 10739
So you accept the concept of immunity by implication (you say that a small fraction of the population have experienced the infection, presumably implying that if more had been there would be more immunity) – it is just a question of how much immunity there is.
You say there was no inherent immunity but that Sweden had only a small number of people infected because of what reason ? the virus didn’t want to infect too many people as it was only the first wave and it was saving itself for later ??
You then ignore the fact that the lockdown achieved virtually nothing if anything at all (compare Sweden to UK, Spain, France, Italy, Belgium etc; compare Peru to Brazil).
You ignore the fact that the lockdown did virtually nothing for flu/ pneumonia, so was it an intelligent virus that knew we were targeting it alone ?
You then tell me that Sweden is going to have a bad ‘second wave’ because presumably that’s what the virus has been saving itself for.
Forgive me if I don’t think you’ve thought about this very deeply !
Yes of course I accept the concept of immunity. But not lifelong sterile immunity from a single infection (as per measles). Coronaviruses infect typically about every 24 months on a seasonal basis. Morbidity from subsequent infections will hopefully decline (antibody enhanced disease has been noted for some viral infections though e.g. Dengue). Lockdown achieved a negative growth rate for the epidemic, and I am also very happy to accept that general behaviors also contributed prior to THE DATE. Influenza showed very little in the Southern hemisphere during their lockdown, and one would expect similar in the Northern under the same circumstances.
I did not say Sweden would be hit with a “bad” wave. I merely pointed out that cases, hospitalisations and ITU occupancy are all rising in line with their neighbours. There is little exceptionalism here, little population protection. Deaths will follow. Why would that be the case in a population with “herd immunity” from a first epidemic? That must surely be one of the strongest predictions of mass immunity – that one can increase contacts but not increase transmission rates. I’ve not seen it yet. In any country.
A hairsplitting exercise. For those of us who live in the real world, these are variances between the unnoticble and the insignificant. “Send the scientists back to their Labs.” Maureen Eames.
It’s the modern equivalent of medieval theologians debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Mr Austin
I think this sums things up in a very concise way. you are counting angels dancing on pinheads and for some reason you are scared to admit the blindingly obvious, so you continue to count the angels.
Apologies for the long delay in responding. However, you claim you have seen no evidence of mass immunity. So why did Covid virtually stop in April/ May in the UK, France, Italy, Sweden, New York etc. Did it just get bored and decide to wait for the second wave ?
It was clearly not seasonal as that wouldn’t explain Florida for example, and the flu/pneumonia continued to kill.
Now it’s doing what every good virus should do with the so-called ‘second wave’ and going after the bits missed first time round (and I’m sure you have seen the overwhelming evidence that a huge part of this is false positives who die of other causes, or do I have to go back to first principles and explain that too ? Hint: start off by looking at the NYT article of 29/8/20 and work from there). For example and putting that obvious issue aside we now see that London death figures are consistently about half those for the rest of the country having been far worse in the real pandemic.
Contact restriction works. Take it away and spread comes back. I’d have thought that was obvious. It also reduces influenza transmission too. As noted in Southern Hemisphere countries. London had greater benefit by starting the second wave from a much lower incidence in September. Growth rate of admissions is not so different from elsewhere.
What’s the point of trying to adjust the Evil Duo’s death figures when there’s absolutely no guarantee that any of the victims they either count or invent actually died of Covid?
I still remember very early into lockdown a key worker young woman telling me of her sisters stillborn child being labelled Covid dead.
The father in law was someone ‘high in the military’ who brought pressure to bare to alter that.
This is the beauty of this scam. There’s no way of proving anything unless the hospitals record this accurately. It’s a pity we can’t just get one whistleblower in a hospital to take notes. It could be illuminating.
And just when the C-stats were starting to look insignificant, flu and pneumonia was somehow eradicated and Covid admissions started soaring again. Still haven’t seen any sensible explanation as to how they differentiate between these various respiratory illnesses, especially since just about anybody tests positive these days (I’ve know of exactly two people who actually had Covid – equivalent to a 2-week bout of flu – back in March, but in the last month scores of people I know personally tested positive yet never experienced any symptoms at all… not much of a sttretch then to imagine how many flu or pneumonia victims will also test postiive and get added to the numbers).
Law suits coming in thick and fast all over the world now, some of them will get through and set precedents. Unless they’ve managed to bribe all the judges.
I do believe it’s all starting to crumble now, albeit slowly. My hairdresser today said there ‘wasn’t much point’ to the lockdown and that she was going to have her usual family Christmas no matter what.
Digital ID ?
I believe they have been trying to get our DNA for years. It makes it easier for them to identify, track, trace our movements, although there may be more sinister motives I don’t know about.
https://www.saveourrights.uk
I think you’ll find that from 9th October or thereabouts, a little known regulation was niftily sneaked through which is that all people having a Covid test will also have their DNA extracted (without their knowledge or consent) and it will be placed, allegedly, on the National DNA Database which, if course, is the Police National Database. Worrying times indeed.
Can you edit those numbers Toby so they’re actual numbers. 57,0000 and 20,0000 kind of undermine the point
Message to the morons who believe that 4,000 people a day are dying of Covid; don’t worry, assuming that roughly the same amount of people are being born as are dying, it would still take 45 years for the country to be “wiped out “
Carl Heneghan just interviewed on Radio 4 Today. Rubbishing the data for the new lockdown. Pointing out that numbers in hospital are more important than admissions, that new positive tests are stabilising and that the R rate in Liverpool is now below 1. No real argument back from the interviewer. The tide is turning
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE.
I do get the feeling that the testdemic/casedemic is the last roll of the dice for the government. Unless hospitals start overflowing and large numbers of deaths occur, it’s going to become harder and harder to convince people of the need for totalitarian government. ‘The Science’ then becomes a sort of vague scaremongering of the type used by MMGW activists. People will pay lip service to it but won’t really go along with any of its recommendations.